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Old 10-11-2017, 11:52 AM   #21
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I happen to be making a Skylake-x system for someone at the moment so ran some quick tests. The following is encoding 10minutes of AVCHD on a 108050i timeline:

7900 Skylake-X: EDIUS exporter, normal mode, VBR/CBR 2.21 seconds
10 minute video in 2 seconds?? Were you overclocked?
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Old 10-12-2017, 12:27 PM   #22
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No 2.21 mins, it was a type I have changed. I also tested with TMPEG set to "fastests" and it took 1 minutes so faster than Quick Sync on my Kaby lake i7. I can't tell you how the quality compares as I never use it set to fastest.

The system has an i9-7900x processor running at 3.3Ghz, not overclocked. It has 64GB RAM.
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Old 10-13-2017, 02:47 AM   #23
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I think EDIUS 8.52 export (with Quicksync) is better, faster than TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC for EDIUS 8
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Old 10-13-2017, 04:17 AM   #24
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I think EDIUS 8.52 export (with Quicksync) is better, faster than TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC for EDIUS 8
Faster maybe, better no.
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Old 10-13-2017, 01:45 PM   #25
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Everyone is judging the plugin based on speed. Get over it! You are all missing the point of the plugin.
If you are happy with the speed and quality of QS, good for you. Personally, I wouldn't deliver a final to a client using
a QS master.
The plugin is an option that offers x264 and a bevy of control options that are missing from Edius.

If you are comparing quality, do not view the final product on a computer monitor or a small HD/UHD tv.

If your product is being played on a large screen, 55" or larger, you will notice the encoding flaws with QS when used at 20-25Mbps. There is some parity between QS and TMPGE when using 50Mbps.

Then you run into a size issue. With the plugin this same file using dual pass 30/50Mbps will not only reduce the file size but allow you to have better encoding quality.

The plugin offers many more options than the Edius exporter provides.
Once again, if you don't need, or simply can't see the difference, you don't need the plugin.
Just don't judge it based on speed.
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Old 10-16-2017, 07:08 PM   #26
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Jerry is on the money here and for better quality encodes and smaller file size the plugin is excellent. However I have just completed a system where the client needs to turn around short skydiving videos approximately 4 to 5 minutes duration very fast in mp4 format. After much testing we went for a 7900X system with Edius 8.5 and the AVC plugin for two reasons. It's a more robust platform resource wise especially when plugging and ejecting multiple USB flash devices during editing exporting sessions. Also speed of export vs quality. The TMPG AVC plug with proper preset on fastest setting actually delivers better quality and in less time than a modern QS export on Z system. The system has a a simple easy overclock with ASUS motherboard presets for extreme and has Turbo Max 3 setup. The other advantage could come from Edius 9 when they introduce background export if that ever happens.
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Old 10-30-2017, 10:12 AM   #27
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The initial question wasn't really answeared yet - does the EDIUS8 plugin work with EDIUS9? We don't know this time. Did the EDIUS7 plugin work with EDIUS8 - halfways! You couldn't install but if you already had a E7 installation the plugin could be copied to the E8 plugins folder and everything was working!

As most here stated x264 is about quality, best to be seen at lower bitrates. But even at higher bitrates (~100Mbps) even on a Skylake x264 is better than QS (QS quality improved over the generations), QS still shows some I-frame pumping and shows less flow motion on water just to mention an example.

But I would never give up on QuickSync because it's so good for a quick, first view and supports playback as well, but for the final shot I always choose x264... eh, x265 from now if possible! I did some tests in Handbrake converting UHD to 100Mbps H.264 and 80Mbps H.265 - H.265 actually wins hands down putting both encodes in a timeline and switch between a) and b) zoomed in to compare!
So I would like if Pegasys would also include x265 with 10bit to their plugin to save the time for an intermediate.

There where also some things mixed up here.
x264 is not a codec (!!), it's an H.264 encoder!!
x264 encodes to H.264 also called AVC
x265 encodes to H.265 also called HEVC


I still wonder why Grassvalley doesn't implement the best known quality H.264/H.265 encoders (x264/x265) directly to EDIUS!
It's possible to license the encoders, Pegasys also did this for their plugins and also in their TMPG Mastering Suite!
Pegasys really seems not to pay to much attention to their plugins any more, even the QuickSync functionality (profiles/levels) is very limited, seems to be an old Intel SDK there.
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Old 10-30-2017, 01:00 PM   #28
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It's bad that in TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC no bitrate calculator.
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Old 10-30-2017, 01:48 PM   #29
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From my communication with the support department at TMPG, the rep said the plugins for version 8 would not work with version 9 of Edius.

I see GV as not caring about the plugins more than the companies who make them. Encoding is essential these days. It would be ridiculous to have great plugins that just get excluded one generation. Like nobody would care.

I hope this gets sorted out because there is no new functionality being ask for, just the ability to continue using something you have already paid for...twice.
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Old 10-30-2017, 02:40 PM   #30
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Updating to E9 is not a must, so we could use our plug ins longer - but I will also update to E9, no question ;-)!!

Way out would be GV implements x264/x265 itself in E9 with similar options like the Pegasys plugin. I don't know a reason why not to do this.
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