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Old 08-28-2019, 06:33 PM   #11
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I tried importing a SE xml file as a project but it is assigning a framerate of 60 even though I spec 29.97* from Edius (though subtitle doesn't show * version). When this imported as 60 I replaced 60 in the xml with 29.97 and then it imported as 29 in Edius and failed again. Guess I'm missing something. Attaching the xml for review.

I'm attaching clip and project properties (images) if anyone wishes to review.

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Old 08-28-2019, 09:50 PM   #12
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I tried importing a SE xml file as a project but it is assigning a framerate of 60 even though I spec 29.97* from Edius (though subtitle doesn't show * version). When this imported as 60 I replaced 60 in the xml with 29.97 and then it imported as 29 in Edius and failed again. Guess I'm missing something. Attaching the xml for review.

I'm attaching clip and project properties (images) if anyone wishes to review.

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Hey Jim, I'll have a look tonight when I get home to see if I can get a workflow figured out for you.

In the mean time, in Subtitle Edits settings, go to the toolbar tab and enable the framerate display. This will place a framerate dropdown on your toolbar of the project so you can change and/or confirm that the framerate is correct.

Also, if you want to send along your subtitle edit project, that may help to figure out an easy way, if one exists to get it working for you. I shouldn't need a video file, just the srt of the project.
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Old 08-29-2019, 12:46 AM   #13
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Hey Jim,

I haven't found an easy way of fixing the xml file yet. The only thing that has seemed to work is manually adding the ntsc tag to every rate/timebase section.

I have done this on a small file ad it worked, but I wouldn't want to have to do it for something more than a hand full of subtitles.

I may not find an answer before you have to deliver, but I will keep digging.
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Old 08-30-2019, 03:38 AM   #14
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Jim,

If you haven't got things done yet, I have a potential work around for your subtitles.

If you want to send me your SRT file, I can pass it through Mac Caption at the office and send you back a full length black/alpha channel quicktime movie that can alpha key over your video.

The scc file from subtitle edit should work fine for your closed captions. (at least it did for me.)
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Thanks BernH for your offer. I'm going to try to work with the developer to see if we can figure out my issues. Been away for a few days, hence, my delayed reply. The tools in SE are sufficient for my need if I can get it to work. My typing skills are a bit of a drag on the process.
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I'm wondering if the problem I'm having importing .xml project into Edius is an Edius problem or a SubTitle edit problem. Manually editing the .xml file to replace 60fps with 59.94 results in Edius saying the project is 59 - so I just don't get it. Edius always rounds the xml frame rate to the nearest whole number. I'm no expert with XLM files. Exaples of the file can be found earlier in the thread.
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Old 09-09-2019, 08:20 PM   #17
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I'm wondering if the problem I'm having importing .xml project into Edius is an Edius problem or a SubTitle edit problem. Manually editing the .xml file to replace 60fps with 59.94 results in Edius saying the project is 59 - so I just don't get it. Edius always rounds the xml frame rate to the nearest whole number. I'm no expert with XLM files. Exaples of the file can be found earlier in the thread.
From my experience with the xml files coming out of subtitle edit, it is the missing ntsc tags that are the issue. These tags cause Edius to interperet the 60fps as 59.94, because they force a 0.1% adjustment in the framerate interperetation.

If you make a file with just a couple of subs in it, and inset the ntsc tag into each framerate section in the file, it imports properly. This is easy to do for a couple of subs, but not so easy when dealing with content for a full show.

Subtitle edit seems to insert this tag in the master framertate sections, but not in the framerate sections pertaining to each subtitle. Since they are missing in each subtitle's section, Edius errors saying the framerate is 60 or 30 depending on the rate you are using, instead of the ntsc equivalent of 59.94 or 29.97.

Whose fault it is, depends on if you think Edius should only look at the master framerate section or not, and what the official xml schema should be.
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Thanks, I'll test this. The SE author didn't seemed very interested in identifying the problem. It's funny Edius either rounds up or down to the next whole. number. I'll revisit the xml file. I previously did a search and replace for "60" and replaced with 59.94 but got the same result of wrong frame rate.
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Old 09-09-2019, 09:26 PM   #19
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If you look at the first framerate section, it has the ntsc tag. All the other framerate sections need to look the same for Edius to read it right, but when you look at them, many don't have the ntsc tag.

Inserting this tag has worked for me in the tests I have done with a few subs.

When I get back to my system later, I'll try to post some examples of what I mean.
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Ok, I am attaching a zip file of 2 xml's and generated PNG files.("video.xml" and "video edited.xml") and some screen shots to illustrate.

The original xml (video.xml) and subtitle png files that it references were exported from Subtitle Edit using the File>Export>Final Cut Pro + Image option.

The edited xml (video edited.xml) has simply had the ntsc tags inserted before each and every timebase tag that didn't have the ntsc tag. If you miss one, it will not work. There are no changes, other than the insertion of these ntsc tags.

The Edius project settings are also attached. Note, if your Edius setting is 59.94 interlaced, as mine was, the framerate is really 29.97, not 59.94. If you are 59.94 progressive, then the framerate is 59.94. The attached xml files reference a timebase of 30 with the ntsc tags partially correct in the original file and fully corrected in the edited file, which enforce the 0.1% adjustment to get to 29.97.

The edited xml imports fine into edius, but the unedited one makes Edius grumble about the framerate. When imported, you get a timeline with the png files on it that you can then nest on a top video layer of the main timeline to get the subtitles working.

If you go to https://www.diffchecker.com (or a diff checker of your choosing) and copy and paste the text from the original xml file into the original side and the text from the edited file into the changed side, it will show you exactly what I have inserted to get it working.

Feel free to pass this on the the Subtitle Edit author if it will help him figure out what to fix.

Exporting an .scc file from subtitle edit works fine for me to do closed captions. It is only the open captions/subtitles that this effects. Of course, you can still manually place the png files. The xml just places them in time and duration based on what you did in Subtitle Edit.
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