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Old 09-10-2018, 12:12 AM   #1
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I have a Panasonic nv-hs960 super vhs deck that belonged to my fathers collection of players/capturing devices, I"m trying to capture a vhs tape to my pc using the intensity 4k pro card but have been unsuccesfull so far.

That deck has rca connectors on the front and back, I can see that yellow is for video, the breackout cable of the intensity has 3 cables labled: 7 r-y-in, 8 y-in, 9 b-y-in, are those the cables I have to use to get video and audio in and if so which of those 3 is for video?

I have tried media express that comes with the card but can't see the video from the vhs player, is there a way to use edius for that and how?

Anyone with some experience with these devices that could walk me through the capturing process?
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Old 09-10-2018, 02:03 AM   #2
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connect video to green in and audio to red and white audio in

set up BM control panel to composite in

create a correct capture device preset in EDIUS, Pal = 720x576 and NTSC = 720x486
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Old 09-10-2018, 02:22 AM   #3
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I am not familiar with the VCR model you have so the following in in general.

Does your VCR have s-video output jack? that will give better results than the yellow composite video output. (Forget component output if the VCR has it, the IP4K does not do SD component video (YUV) well.

The R-Y in and B-Y in are for normally for component video, but the B-Y is also used for S-VIDEO as well. (The green Y in is used for all three input signals, composite, component green, and S-VIDEO Y.)

If you have S-VIDEO output from your VCR, use the S-VIDEO-to-RCA adapter that came with the IP4K (connect green to green Y-in and blue to blue B-Y-in).

Audio goes to the White Audio in Left and Red audio in Right.

You will have to set the IP4K for the appropriate input type using the Blackmagic Video Setup application, and your capture program will have to be set for the type of video stream; e.g., 625i50 PAL in Media Express preferences. If using EDIUS for capture you will need to setup a corresponding device preset.

You may need a TBC between the VCR and the capture device.

Also the capture files can be large, so you will need plenty of fast disk drive space. (Capturing to the system drive generally does not work well for most people.)

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Old 09-10-2018, 11:25 AM   #4
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In part 3 of my videos on setting up EDIUS I did a bit about capturing with Blackmagic: http://www.dvctraining.co.uk/installing-edius-9/

An SVIDEO deck should have SVIDEO out so use that in preference to composite. I know some Panasonic decks that I have used had a switch on the back which controlled where it output composite or SVIDEO so you may need to set that.

In Media express you need to go to preference and set the type of signal it should expect (PAL for example) otherwise it will not see the incoming picture. You should be able to use just EDIUS, however, and EDIUS let's you capture into a decent format (GV HQ).

If it is not working it is either mismatched settings (between what the deck is outputting, EDIUS and the BM control panel), bad cables, or the signal is so bad - because the tapes are old and worn out - that the capture card cannot see it properly. The latter is happening more and more as tapes get older, but the IP4K had a timebase corrector built-in which, for me, has sorted out even bad tapes.
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Thx for the answers so far, I think there is a problem with the player because I connected a small crt tv to it with a scart cable and I am seeing a image but there is heavy distortion, not going to take more riscs of potentially damaging the cassette and going to bring it in with someone who has the right equipment and knowledge to transfer it.
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seems like a clogged head
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The nv-hs960 dates to ~2000, was that still in the era of failing SMD capacitor problems that plagued other models such as the AG-1980 from the 1990s?

The IP4K is said to be more tolerant of time base errors than its predecessor, but still needs a good signal and that can be somewhat elusive with older VHS gear. Old consumer market CRT TVs generally are very tolerant of time base errors.
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Old 09-10-2018, 04:47 PM   #8
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Having a look to your site where high quality mariages videos are present, I underline that for a professional like you, it's important to know that the old analogic player is essential. The low quality of VHS needs to give priority to the best available signal. I use a Sony SVO-5800P (SVHS for studio editing... still avalaible on Ebay). It has a tracking adjustment button and a VUmeter that shows the level to maximize the output of the video signal.... and believe me, all VHS have a different position... This player and the tuning potential makes a very big difference of quality. Clients who look to the DVD made from their old VHS tape are estonished of the quality (they never saw it like this !).

The NX card I use is still enough because TBC included and Y/C input... digitalising in Canopus HQ

Of course for 1 capture it may be expensive to acquire such a player... but "to have "satisfaction" this is the way.

This is my recommendation... from another Belgian who makes 16 goals during this mundial 2018
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My dad, who passed away 5 years ago was a analog specialist, I still have his Panasonic dv 10000 for mini-dv cassettes and a sony ev s1000e video hi8 player, I have used both to transfer cassettes 4 years ago and I also used the Panasonic vhs player which was still connected to my fathers pc but after I sold most of his stuff I kept a few recorders and apparantly they can fail over time even when not being used. I allready contacted a friend of mine who can transfer the tape for me so I am going to leave this to those who know better :)
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My dad, who passed away 5 years ago was a analog specialist, I still have his Panasonic dv 10000 for mini-dv cassettes and a sony ev s1000e video hi8 player, I have used both to transfer cassettes 4 years ago and I also used the Panasonic vhs player which was still connected to my fathers pc but after I sold most of his stuff I kept a few recorders and apparantly they can fail over time even when not being used. I allready contacted a friend of mine who can transfer the tape for me so I am going to leave this to those who know better :)
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