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Old 02-09-2018, 12:31 PM   #11
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Very interesting discussion. But no one has addressed the original question (as I see it anyway) Is there a 'preferred' still format that minimizes the internal processing required by Edius to insert these stills? I've never used so many stills as to warrent another application to handle them but I would always go through a bitmap editor (PS or Affinity these days) to prepare them for their intended use in Edius (zooming, moving etc)
Thank you for your post... you read my first one seriously and the digest quoted here above is perfectly right.

So I hope an expert answer, may be from an Edius programmer who knows how Edius manage all these files.

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Old 02-09-2018, 04:34 PM   #12
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JPEG is generally the easiest on a system.
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Very interesting discussion. But no one has addressed the original question (as I see it anyway) Is there a 'preferred' still format that minimizes the internal processing required by Edius to insert these stills? I've never used so many stills as to warrent another application to handle them but I would always go through a bitmap editor (PS or Affinity these days) to prepare them for their intended use in Edius (zooming, moving etc)
I generally think .tga files are the best for video.
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I generally think .tga files are the best for video.
yes, since I have been using EDIUS, tga is the best real-time still performer in EDIUS

I resize original stills in EDIUS layouter rather than in Photoshop, because I can choose the area of interest easier in the layouter

of course if you have a 1000 stills, it gets a bit boring but to overcome this, I have a layouter preset that automatically crops and sizes the still to the 16:9 frame with emphasis on the top area of the still, typically where the heads of people are located. I drop this layouter onto all 1000 stills in one hit and then quickly step through the timeline with page up/down shortcuts to fine tune any images that don't look right
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Interesting that you say jpg is easiest on the system Jerry. I should have thought that with all the decoding necessary (unless it's uncompressed jpg) to get to the image, something a little less convoluted would be easier on Edius. I know it's just as complicated as jpg but pngs seen very popular too. RLE tgas?
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The reason I say that, is I've made test image sequences with targa, png, and jpeg files, and the jpeg sequence always plays back the best, at least on my system.
For the OP's use in this project, he didn't mention the need for an alpha channel and that was another reason to choose .jpeg.
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I'm with Douglas on this one. If you are doing a montage of 1000 images, having the correct tool will save you a lot of time. I wouldn't attempt to do a 1000 image montage in Edius using layouter. Mainly, because it would be waaaaaaay too much work. Proshow Producer will also accept 4K video and allow you to create titles.

I would at least download the Proshow Producer 9 trial and give it a try.
http://www.photodex.com/try

If you do these types of projects regularly, the software will pay for itself, in time saved alone.

As far as converting the files, I would get a batch converter or if you have Photoshop or Lightroom, use them. I wouldn't take the resolution all the way down to 1920x1080 though. Around 3K'ish should be good for performance and zooming.

I get the impression you are more interested in adjusting everything for the best Edius performance. That's all fine and dandy, but project quality should be considered first.

Edius is just one tool to use.
Thank you Jerry for all info's. Now, a very havy historical project of 1000 pictures is also done with interviews, old films documents, video moving backgrounds... So Edius stays for me a very good tool, it's just that I want to decrease the power necessary to run.

Anyway, in my case, each fix image has first to be balanced to be the best possible. It's a part of the archive that the client wants also to have separataly for his personnal album, or to make a book and other use. Let's call this genuine first generation image in 20 millions pixels : the "master".

Not all master will be used,... just a selection for the film (as video rush, we don't use all the clips realised on field).

The question his : use the master as it is in Edius.... anf finalize the framing with the layouter...
Or before inserting in Edius... selecting the master needed and decrease in 1920 wide (if no zoom needed) with/without cropping to respect 16:9... to decrease the weight of the total of picture needed.
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I generally think .tga files are the best for video.
I follow you... TGA. Moreover, in the list of picture selected for video, it's easy to select the one prepared for Edius.
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yes, since I have been using EDIUS, tga is the best real-time still performer in EDIUS

I resize original stills in EDIUS layouter rather than in Photoshop, because I can choose the area of interest easier in the layouter

of course if you have a 1000 stills, it gets a bit boring but to overcome this, I have a layouter preset that automatically crops and sizes the still to the 16:9 frame with emphasis on the top area of the still, typically where the heads of people are located. I drop this layouter onto all 1000 stills in one hit and then quickly step through the timeline with page up/down shortcuts to fine tune any images that don't look right
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Yes Anton, very good procedure, I follow you at 1000 %. In this case as you write :
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it gets a bit boring but to overcome this
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The reason I say that, is I've made test image sequences with targa, png, and jpeg files, and the jpeg sequence always plays back the best, at least on my system.
For the OP's use in this project, he didn't mention the need for an alpha channel and that was another reason to choose .jpeg.
Interesting test considering quality... that means that after creating my master.tiff, I can export in jpeg with the same quality... (in low compression) in place of use the tiff. Will it be more easy for Edius (lighter) ?
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