PC suitable for edius in 4K.

Vladiciu · 02-04-2019, 02:43 PM

Hello friends, I have a pc with an I7 4790K +32 GB ram + ssd 240 GB x operating system + HD sata 1 TB for files and cache + RX 580 8gb + windows 10 pro + Edius pro 8.5.
For now I do eding in fullHD and I work well, but I would like to buy a Lumix G80 that records in 4K, I wonder if it will be possible to work well with this PC, perhaps by converting the 4K files in dnx canopus.
Thanks to those who help me giving me good answers.

Bassman · 02-04-2019, 03:01 PM

I would try to find some 4k clips from the camera to download and test on your system first. 4k is tough to gauge. Playback and encoding take a lot of resources. But it depends upon your workload.

mark williams · 02-04-2019, 03:52 PM

As Bassman said try some 4k clips. Also, 10 bit, 422 long GOP clips may tax your system so try those. My system had a little trouble with 400Mbps ALL-I.

Vladiciu · 02-06-2019, 03:29 PM

Thanks for your advice but I do not pretend to work with native 4K files, I would also be good to convert them into codec Canopus HQX or similar, you say you can do?
thank you

BernH · 02-06-2019, 04:43 PM

Converting to HQX can buy you a lot of performance headroom. I don't edit 4K myself, but have done some tests out of curiosity. Native test files from a camera that I had downloaded were very problematic, and didn't play smoothly (sorry, I can'r remember what the camera was, but they were H264 based compression), but conversion to HQX fixed the issue.

I have advocated this step to others that complain about playback performance, and some have been able to use footage that is higher resolution than 4K without problem on a similar system to yours and mine. It does mean that you will need a lot more drive space and fast enough drives though, as the HQX files are a lot less compressed, therefore needing more space and more available bandwidth. HQX can give an older system a new lease on life, as long as you can provide the drive space and bandwidth, as it is the native codec of Edius, and therefore one of the ones it works with in the most efficient way possible.

If you search some of my posts and some of the posts by David Harry (Liverpool TV), you will find some information and examples of the performance gain from HQX.

Vladiciu · 02-06-2019, 05:01 PM

Thanks friend of your advice, the huge HD space for me is not a problem, I could use a HD of 1 or 2 TB for files converted to HXQ, at least I can work well with the 4K without changing my PC that would be very later expensive for sure.
I will look for your posts and the friend you are talking about and you can thank me again.

Jerry · 02-06-2019, 05:26 PM

These two clips are from the Lumix G80. They are 8bit 4:2:0 files at 23.98.
I can work with these files all day long.
I have GH5 10bit files as well. The 29.97p 3840x2160 files will play on my system. I can do 8bit 59.94p 3840x2160 files as well.

If you are running at 4.0GHz, you will probably run into issues with higher frame rate clips. If you are only using 25p, you shouldn't have any issues. 50/60p require a bit more horsepower.

https://player.vimeo.com/play/683231...ain&download=1

https://player.vimeo.com/play/683233...ain&download=1

Vladiciu · 02-06-2019, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry

These two clips are from the Lumix G80. They are 8bit 4:2:0 files at 23.98.
I can work with these files all day long.
I have GH5 10bit files as well. The 29.97p 3840x2160 files will play on my system. I can do 8bit 59.94p 3840x2160 files as well.

If you are running at 4.0GHz, you will probably run into issues with higher frame rate clips. If you are only using 25p, you shouldn't have any issues. 50/60p require a bit more horsepower.

https://player.vimeo.com/play/683231...ain&download=1

https://player.vimeo.com/play/683233...ain&download=1

the links do not work, would you still have 2 native 4k files to pass so I can try them on my pc?
thank you

Jerry · 02-06-2019, 07:35 PM

Try this one:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YFr...ew?usp=sharing

Make sure that the correct project settings are used for each clip. The Lumix is 23.98p 3840x2160 8bit. The GH5 is 29.97p 3840x2160 10bit.

Vladiciu · 02-07-2019, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry

Try this one:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YFr...ew?usp=sharing

Make sure that the correct project settings are used for each clip. The Lumix is 23.98p 3840x2160 8bit. The GH5 is 29.97p 3840x2160 10bit.

perfect download immediately the file and I'll do a test as soon as I have time thanks my friend.

02-04-2019, 02:43 PM	#1
Vladiciu Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Italia Posts: 55	PC suitable for edius in 4K. Hello friends, I have a pc with an I7 4790K +32 GB ram + ssd 240 GB x operating system + HD sata 1 TB for files and cache + RX 580 8gb + windows 10 pro + Edius pro 8.5. For now I do eding in fullHD and I work well, but I would like to buy a Lumix G80 that records in 4K, I wonder if it will be possible to work well with this PC, perhaps by converting the 4K files in dnx canopus. Thanks to those who help me giving me good answers. __________________ I7 4790K-32 gb RAM-RX580 8gb-SSD 257gb-Windows10 pro-Edius8.5-

02-04-2019, 03:01 PM	#2
Bassman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 2,433	I would try to find some 4k clips from the camera to download and test on your system first. 4k is tough to gauge. Playback and encoding take a lot of resources. But it depends upon your workload. __________________ Asus Prime X299-A - Intel i9 7900x all cores @4.3GHz 2 cores @4.6GHz - 32GB RAM - NVidia GTX1070 - Edius 8.53.2808WG - BM Intensity 4k - Boris RED - Vitascene 2 - Windows 10

02-04-2019, 03:52 PM	#3
mark williams Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Deep South U.S. Posts: 266	As Bassman said try some 4k clips. Also, 10 bit, 422 long GOP clips may tax your system so try those. My system had a little trouble with 400Mbps ALL-I. __________________ Mark Williams natureflixs@hotmail.com http://vimeo.com/channels/3523 http://www.pond5.com/artist/mark29 Edius 8 WG, i7 6700K, Asus 170-A mobo, 16 GB Ram, System 960 Evo M.2, Video multiple 850 Evo SSDs, Shadow Rock Slim cpu cooler, On board graphics, Corsair 400c case, HD Spark, Windows 10, Panasonic GH5

02-06-2019, 03:29 PM	#4
Vladiciu Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Italia Posts: 55	info Thanks for your advice but I do not pretend to work with native 4K files, I would also be good to convert them into codec Canopus HQX or similar, you say you can do? thank you __________________ I7 4790K-32 gb RAM-RX580 8gb-SSD 257gb-Windows10 pro-Edius8.5-

02-06-2019, 04:43 PM	#5
BernH Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: St. John's, NL, Canada Posts: 1,495	Converting to HQX can buy you a lot of performance headroom. I don't edit 4K myself, but have done some tests out of curiosity. Native test files from a camera that I had downloaded were very problematic, and didn't play smoothly (sorry, I can'r remember what the camera was, but they were H264 based compression), but conversion to HQX fixed the issue. I have advocated this step to others that complain about playback performance, and some have been able to use footage that is higher resolution than 4K without problem on a similar system to yours and mine. It does mean that you will need a lot more drive space and fast enough drives though, as the HQX files are a lot less compressed, therefore needing more space and more available bandwidth. HQX can give an older system a new lease on life, as long as you can provide the drive space and bandwidth, as it is the native codec of Edius, and therefore one of the ones it works with in the most efficient way possible. If you search some of my posts and some of the posts by David Harry (Liverpool TV), you will find some information and examples of the performance gain from HQX. __________________ Edius WG 9.50.5351, various 3rd party plugins, VisTitle 2.8.0.5, Win 7 Ultimate SP1, i7-4790K @ 4GHz with HD4600 GPU embedded, MSI Z97 Gaming 7 Motherboard, 32GB Kingston HyperX RAM, nVidia GTX680 4GB GPU, Matrox MX02 Mini MAX, Corsair 750W PSU, Corsair H110i GT Water Cooler, Corsair C70 case, 4TB Internal RAID 0/stripe (2x2TB Seagate SATAIII HDD's, Win7 Software RAID 0/stripe), 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD, Pioneer BDR-207D, Dual 1920x1080 monitors (one on GTX680 and one on Intel HD4600).

02-06-2019, 05:01 PM	#6
Vladiciu Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Italia Posts: 55	Thanks friend of your advice, the huge HD space for me is not a problem, I could use a HD of 1 or 2 TB for files converted to HXQ, at least I can work well with the 4K without changing my PC that would be very later expensive for sure. I will look for your posts and the friend you are talking about and you can thank me again. __________________ I7 4790K-32 gb RAM-RX580 8gb-SSD 257gb-Windows10 pro-Edius8.5-

02-06-2019, 05:26 PM	#7
Jerry Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orange City, FL Posts: 11,678	These two clips are from the Lumix G80. They are 8bit 4:2:0 files at 23.98. I can work with these files all day long. I have GH5 10bit files as well. The 29.97p 3840x2160 files will play on my system. I can do 8bit 59.94p 3840x2160 files as well. If you are running at 4.0GHz, you will probably run into issues with higher frame rate clips. If you are only using 25p, you shouldn't have any issues. 50/60p require a bit more horsepower. https://player.vimeo.com/play/683231...ain&download=1 https://player.vimeo.com/play/683233...ain&download=1 __________________ Jerry Six Gill DV www.sgdvtutorials.com If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me. Vistitle YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf Main System: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, 4790K@4.7Ghz, 32gb ram, Corsair H110, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, HD Spark, Intensity Shuttle, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Benq 27 and Hanns-G 28 monitors, CC 2019, GTX 1080ti SC Black. Both systems on Gigabit network Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, 980x@3.74, Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

02-06-2019, 07:35 PM	#9
Jerry Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Orange City, FL Posts: 11,678	Try this one: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YFr...ew?usp=sharing Make sure that the correct project settings are used for each clip. The Lumix is 23.98p 3840x2160 8bit. The GH5 is 29.97p 3840x2160 10bit. __________________ Jerry Six Gill DV www.sgdvtutorials.com If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me. Vistitle YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf Main System: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, 4790K@4.7Ghz, 32gb ram, Corsair H110, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, HD Spark, Intensity Shuttle, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Benq 27 and Hanns-G 28 monitors, CC 2019, GTX 1080ti SC Black. Both systems on Gigabit network Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, 980x@3.74, Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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