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Old 01-17-2019, 09:36 PM   #1
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I recently acquired a 4k Sony handycam and want to finalise a short project. I selected the 4k icon, edited and rendered. When attempting to export I notice that the "Burn to disc" option is greyed out (perhaps because the project is 27GB in size) but first off I want to "Print to file" and select the HQX AVI exporter. An .avi file is produced which can not be either converted to .mp4 or played on the VLC media player ("CHQX" format could not be decoded). Where have I gone wrong? Thanks for your input.
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Old 01-18-2019, 01:09 AM   #2
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I recently acquired a 4k Sony handycam and want to finalise a short project. I selected the 4k icon, edited and rendered. When attempting to export I notice that the "Burn to disc" option is greyed out (perhaps because the project is 27GB in size) but first off I want to "Print to file" and select the HQX AVI exporter. An .avi file is produced which can not be either converted to .mp4 or played on the VLC media player ("CHQX" format could not be decoded). Where have I gone wrong? Thanks for your input.
Questions before answers.

What version of Edius are you running?

What is the framerate of your video files?

What is the framerate of your project?

What are the properties of your exported file? You can use mediainfo to get this information. https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo

The burn to disc is only available if your project settings are compatible with DVD or BluRay on older Edius versions. Newer ones can convert during the burn, but I personally don't do 4K or use the built in disc burner (tried it a couple of times but do all of my disc burning outside of Edius), so can't really comment beyond that.
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Old 01-18-2019, 11:11 AM   #3
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The information asked would be very useful, especially the EDIUS version. However, you should also know the following:
  • You cannot make 4K Blu-ray discs with EDIUS.
  • With EDIUS 8 & 9 you can choose to downscale to HD Blu-ray.
  • VLC does not play GV AVI files. The later versions are supposed to, I think, but sometimes I still have problems. I use Media player classic instead.

How are you trying to make the Mp4 file from the exported AVI?
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Old 01-18-2019, 06:06 PM   #4
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Thank you gentlemen for getting back.
Let me try to answer your questions to the best of my ability:

the version is 7.53.31
frame rate of the video file (if that is the rate at which the handycam records) is 60 Mbps
frame rate of the project as per preset list icon is 4096x2160 50p 8bit
properties of the export file as per Mediainfo are as per attached screen print

I take note that VLC is not the best and will try with Mediaplayer
I attempted to convert using Wondershare

Thanks again for your help
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Old 01-19-2019, 04:59 AM   #5
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Thank you gentlemen for getting back.
Let me try to answer your questions to the best of my ability:

the version is 7.53.31
frame rate of the video file (if that is the rate at which the handycam records) is 60 Mbps
frame rate of the project as per preset list icon is 4096x2160 50p 8bit
properties of the export file as per Mediainfo are as per attached screen print

I take note that VLC is not the best and will try with Mediaplayer
I attempted to convert using Wondershare

Thanks again for your help
Peter
frame rate = frames per second = inspect a clip in the bin from your camera and it will show you frame size and frame rate, like 1920x1080 at 25fps etc (I don't know any handycam that records 4096x2160 50p as your project setting)

the project setting should then be set to match the clips

your media info is not set to tree view, so we see nothing
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As the project is 50P EDIUS will not let you make a Blu-ray disc. The project has to be set to a size and frame rate within the Blu-ray spec for print to disc to work. The only option you could change it to would be 1280x720 50P - but then all video is resized to this.

If you want a 4K file you cannot do it by making a Blu-ray. I don't know if EDIUS 7 will do MP4 files at 4K, as I do not use it any more, and have not for ages. I have never used wondershare either. You could try using handbreak instead - a free program which will take GV HQ files and convert to MP4.

The project setting may be completely wrong too but Anton will need the information he asks for to advise.
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Old 01-20-2019, 05:49 PM   #7
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This info is from within Edius / Properties of a clip in the bin:
1280x720 / 24pfs
This is from Windows Explorer / Properties from a random clip:
4096x2160 / 50pfs
And this from the Sony FDR-AX53 handycam specifications:
XAVC S 4K 3840x2160 / 25pfs

I understand that 4K is not compatible with Blu-ray discs. I'll stick with with "print to file" and convert to mp4. I'll try "handbrake" as well although Wondershare has worked for me up till now.

Attached is Mediainfo tree.
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This info is from within Edius / Properties of a clip in the bin:
1280x720 / 24pfs
This is from Windows Explorer / Properties from a random clip:
4096x2160 / 50pfs
And this from the Sony FDR-AX53 handycam specifications:
XAVC S 4K 3840x2160 / 25pfs

I understand that 4K is not compatible with Blu-ray discs. I'll stick with with "print to file" and convert to mp4. I'll try "handbrake" as well although Wondershare has worked for me up till now.

Attached is Mediainfo tree.
Thanks again
I'm confused. You are giving 3 completely different frames sizes and framerates (one of which you say is a random file), yet your original post was questioning about the Sony 4K files (really UHD) and exporting to blu-ray and avi. Is your project using all of these formats in a 4096x2160 50p 8bit?

If you are using all of these, you will likely see some nasty frame blending or studdering motion, particularly in the 24p footage (really 23.98 I would suspect) if you are working in a 50p project, since 50 is not evenly divisible by 24.

All that said, the correct way to get the final blu-ray assets made that you are asking for would be to take the final 50p export back into a project that has settings that are compatible with blu-ray and make your disc. Anton has great instructions on this workflow posted on his website along with many other tips and tricks. His site is: https://www.videoproductions.com.au/...tutorials.html (hope you don't mind me posting that Anton.)

The AVI/MP4 issue could be because the AVI you are exporting has some properties that is keeping it from being converted to MP4. Without detailed information as to your project settings, export settings, and conversion to MP4 settings, we can't give detailed answers. The most likely cause would probably be that the versions of your wondershare and VLC don't understand the HQX codec. Have you used HQX with them before? It could also have something to do with the metadata in the container. Can you try a different container? (ie. use MOV or MXF instead of AVI)

Once again, if you provide detailed information, it is a lot easier. You can also put some detailed/expanded/advanced screen grabs of your chosen project settings and export settings. It helps to try to figure out what the problems are.
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Originally Posted by Swisspete View Post
This info is from within Edius / Properties of a clip in the bin:
1280x720 / 24pfs
This is from Windows Explorer / Properties from a random clip:
4096x2160 / 50pfs
And this from the Sony FDR-AX53 handycam specifications:
XAVC S 4K 3840x2160 / 25pfs

I understand that 4K is not compatible with Blu-ray discs. I'll stick with with "print to file" and convert to mp4. I'll try "handbrake" as well although Wondershare has worked for me up till now.

Attached is Mediainfo tree.
Thanks again
can I see a mediainfo screenshot of a clip from your camera

the screenshot you provided was not from the camera, it was an EDIUS HQX file
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Old 01-21-2019, 05:01 PM   #10
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Bern, I'm the one confused and apologise for my lack of knowledge in the matter.

When importing to Edius I clicked on the 4K icon in the project presets assuming the parameters were the right ones to use as it was the only 4K icon in the list.

The current project settings are 4096x2160 / 50pfs. Thanks for the link to Anton's website for the correct workflow. I'll try that at the next stage.

I've downloaded HandBrake and it managed to convert the avi file to mp4. MediaPlayer and VLC had no trouble with it.
I have used Wondershare to convert HQX to mp4 successfully in the past but not at those project settings. If HandBrake can do it then that's also fine with me.

From the screenshot from MediaInfo of a clip from the camera, you will also see that the parameters are 3840x2160 / 23.98 fps.

I am obviously short on knowledge of how to use EDIUS efficiently and any suggestion of training programmes / sites would be appreciated.
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