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Old 01-02-2017, 01:15 AM   #11
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Are you trying to do a 2 camera edit? F8 will show both cameras plus the active
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Old 01-02-2017, 08:35 AM   #12
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Try reading the original post!
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Old 01-02-2017, 07:18 PM   #13
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OK, here's an example video so you can see what is needed.
Stop the video to read the TEXT on the screen. I hope this will clear up the confusion :)

https://youtu.be/hXqxgl5Sz-M
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Old 01-02-2017, 11:34 PM   #14
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multiple clips with full opacity is simple with layouter

however in your original post you refer to opening PIP so I am wondering if you are using an old version of EDIUS?
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:35 AM   #15
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Kruzer, you might know by now that it is simply not possible to see both video tracks layered above each other full screen with 100% opacity of each. Technically, if you want both sources visible full screen simultaneously, you need to mix them in a way.

Think in dimensions of single pixels and take the very upper left pixel of your screen. Let's imagine, you have a night shot on picture 1 and a bright day on picture 2. As a result, the upper left pixel of pic 1 might be black, and the upper left pixel of pic 2 could be a light blue. Now your screen doesn't mind what it shall show, in any case it is something between pure black and blue white. Your software needs to tell your screen the colour of that upper left pixel. And therefore your software needs to mix the two. The result is a pixel that is somehow blue-greyish - for it cannot be black and light blue at the same time, obviously.

What you need to do is think which parts of which layer you want to be visible. Then, you must use several effects to manipulate brightness/contrast and/or chroma in certain areas of your two layers to emphasize what should be seen and what can be left out.

Therefore: emphasize the important parts by making them brighter for instance, and when you mix the two layers by reducing the opacity of V2 the details should still be bright enough to be visible.

Another way is to work with masks to kill certain regions of the upper layer. This needs a lot of tweaking and time, but it could be worth to have a look at the mask filter and the several ways to combine other filters in it.

Finally, you seem to make art. Therefore remember the saying: "If you cannot convince people, you need to confuse them!" ;-) Good luck!
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Kruzer, you might know by now that it is simply not possible to see both video tracks layered above each other full screen with 100% opacity of each. Technically, if you want both sources visible full screen simultaneously, you need to mix them in a way.

Think in dimensions of single pixels and take the very upper left pixel of your screen. Let's imagine, you have a night shot on picture 1 and a bright day on picture 2. As a result, the upper left pixel of pic 1 might be black, and the upper left pixel of pic 2 could be a light blue. Now your screen doesn't mind what it shall show, in any case it is something between pure black and blue white. Your software needs to tell your screen the colour of that upper left pixel. And therefore your software needs to mix the two. The result is a pixel that is somehow blue-greyish - for it cannot be black and light blue at the same time, obviously.

What you need to do is think which parts of which layer you want to be visible. Then, you must use several effects to manipulate brightness/contrast and/or chroma in certain areas of your two layers to emphasize what should be seen and what can be left out.

Therefore: emphasize the important parts by making them brighter for instance, and when you mix the two layers by reducing the opacity of V2 the details should still be bright enough to be visible.

Another way is to work with masks to kill certain regions of the upper layer. This needs a lot of tweaking and time, but it could be worth to have a look at the mask filter and the several ways to combine other filters in it.

Finally, you seem to make art. Therefore remember the saying: "If you cannot convince people, you need to confuse them!" ;-) Good luck!
Thank you for your explanation :)
It is understood this can not be done in a conventional way.
With film, it's not an issue and both or more film can be printed the same time same opacity... or film twice on the same stock. I miss film for things like this...however it's not practical and economical today.

The only option I have left is green screen to experiment with two layers. All shots to be planned to what position it will be in relation to the next.

Any instructions on-line for mask creation and how to use it?
Thanks again for the good advice :)
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...With film, it's not an issue and both or more film can be printed the same time same opacity... :)
I would really like to see such result!
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IMHO the OP is looking for a dissolve between the 2 tracks @ 50 % static
where both clips are at 100% opacity. But technically the clips can't be at 100% each fullscreen at least in an NLE.
What happens is that each clip is shown @ a mix of 50.
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Thanks for the advice.
I am using Edius Pro 7.5
Do you have instructions like that on your site?


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multiple clips with full opacity is simple with layouter

however in your original post you refer to opening PIP so I am wondering if you are using an old version of EDIUS?
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Old 01-04-2017, 03:20 PM   #20
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IMHO the OP is looking for a dissolve between the 2 tracks @ 50 % static
where both clips are at 100% opacity. But technically the clips can't be at 100% each fullscreen at least in an NLE.
What happens is that each clip is shown @ a mix of 50.
Too bad, we can't 'double expose' the video, like in film :)
Can't be done with NLE, but maybe someone who actually has a program to mix 100% all clips outside of the editor?
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