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Old 07-08-2018, 02:40 PM   #21
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It doesn't do HLG in Resolve.
Does the new Decklink 8K Pro work with Edius 9 for HDR 10 and HLG? Presume it works with Resolve for HDR 10 and hopefully HLG. Peter
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/pro...specs/W-DLK-34

Edit: I now see it has already been mentioned in post 6

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Old 07-08-2018, 03:08 PM   #22
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I've said this many times before, but you can read it from BM Support.

Hello, Jerry,
DeckLink Mini Monitor 4K, as any other card we have, will pass any kind of signal as long as it can travel over the SDI or HDMI and is one of the supported video formats form the POV of resolution and the framerate.
The question for HDR becomes whether or not there is at minimum 10-bit or, better yet, 12-bit capability and if the HDR content flag can be injected to the HDMI output of the card.

DeckLink Mini Monitor 4K will actually inject the HDR metadata to the HDMI signal it sends as instructed by the host application. It currently supports st.2084 and rec.709 gamma curves and a variety of primaries including rec.2020, rec.709, DCI-P3. It does not have support for HLG metadata flag at this time.
If you have a monitor that allows for a manual selection of the color space and the input gamma or input transform curve, then in conjunction with an application like DaVinci Resolve, a pretty much any combination can be sent and displayed correctly, without relying on the metadata injection, as long as the output settings in Resolve are set to march the display settings or vice versa, and the transmission of the signal can satisfy the need of the HDR bit depth and being at least 10-bit. Refer to my post #18.

The specs on the website refer to the cards ability to automatically detect rec601 or rec709 primaries in the encoded signal and to display them appropriately, depending on the downconversion to the output. For example, content playing out as 1080p is most likely mastered with rec709 primaries but would look off on an SD monitor that would most likely use rec601 primaries. On downconversion to SD if that is chosen it should also readjust the color space so that colors look more correct.


Hi, Jerry,
we currently have one product that injects HLG — it is our SSD deck HyperDeck Studio 12G. This functionality was added to it retroactively.
If that is any indicator then I would say there is a possibility that this will be added to other products. There is still the question of the application to be able to use the Desktop Video SDK and instruct the Blackmagic Design card to inject the HDR tag into the stream.

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Dmitry Kitsov
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Blackmagic Design Inc.


That's where the product line stands at this point. Once an update has been added to the product line, or new cards created, then realtime monitoring can begin.
Once all this is fixed on the 3rd party cards, then Edius drivers can be applied.

Hopefully, IBC will see a resolution to this issue.
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:29 PM   #23
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Thanks Jerry that is very helpful to read. I use the decklink mini monitor 4K with Resolve for my HDR 10 work (UHD 50p project with 25p out for preview) with no problems. Also works okay for Edius 8.53 HD work, Rec709.

Do you know if that message/information from BM was prior to the release of the Decklink 8K Pro? Thanks Peter

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Old 07-08-2018, 03:35 PM   #24
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Part one was April 9th, 2018 and part 2 about the Hyperdeck Studio 12G was on April 20th, 2018.
This is the announcement for the 8K Pro card:
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/med...se/20171115-03

Take note of the date.
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Thanks Jerry, so still someway off a simple hardware solution for monitoring 4K 50p with Edius 9. Peter
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Old 07-08-2018, 03:46 PM   #26
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If BM fixes it by IBC, then it isn't that far away.
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Grass Valley would continue making hardware if enough people were buying it to make a profit. But as soon as you support cheap Blackmagic cards most people buy those rather than GV cards which were definitely better quality.
The Blackmagic cards are not perfect but cheap and work "well enough" so that's what we all end up with.
Thanks David, I guess that's the market speaking when you were at the coalface and maybe even now, but in the future with 4K RAW workflow becoming more common, and the next production standard for the foreseeable future(?) it does raise the prospect of a good market for 4K 50/60P Edius HDR hardware.

Maybe as hinted there may be some full hardware compatibility with 3rd party suppliers coming, who knows, but if you were buying a software package now and looking to the future.......Edius hardware EOL, Edius Software.....?

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Thanks David, I guess that's the market speaking when you were at the coalface and maybe even now, but in the future with 4K RAW workflow becoming more common, and the next production standard for the foreseeable future(?) it does raise the prospect of a good market for 4K 50/60P Edius HDR hardware.

Maybe as hinted there may be some full hardware compatibility with 3rd party suppliers coming, who knows, but if you were buying a software package now and looking to the future.......Edius hardware EOL, Edius Software.....?

Hiro, your product needs a hero!
Jim, you are completely off base on this speculation. As David posted, the hardware decision was mostly based on numbers. There may be a handful of people here that would pay the more expensive price for a better card but that number is a huge minority...and by a large margin.

The hardware part vs the software part (EDIUS) are 2 completely separate things. One has nothing to do with the other in this case.

The hardware market is tough. If you look at Grass Valley as a whole, quite a few of their products have, or are in the process, of transitioning to more software based.

EDIUS is strong in the market, especially the Broadcast sector. It will be around for a long time.
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Ok, thanks for your guidance.
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