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Old 01-28-2018, 06:14 PM   #11
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You can get Mastering Works 6, or other encoders, and use a software solution to create an H.265 file. Hardware requirements change over time and that is just the nature of the game.
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Old 01-28-2018, 06:31 PM   #12
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Hi,
j'ai un 5960X et je ne peux exporter en H265 mme 8 bit.
je vois que vous avez un 6950X, c'est la mme famille je pense. Vous arrivez quelque chose de votre ct ?
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You have to have a chip that has Intel Graphics on board. Your 5960x does not have that chip.
There are two series of chips and motherboards.

1). Intel Chips with onboard graphics and the Z series chipset driven motherboards. In general, these chips have had a lower core count.
Here are just a few Z series chips. 2600k, 3770k, 4790k, 6700k, 7700k, and the most recent 8700k.

2). Chips with more cores and no graphics chip and the X series chipset driven motherboards.
Here are a few X series chips. 980x, 3970x, 4960x, 5960x, 6950x, and the most recent 7900x-7980x.

Here is the link to this info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...icroprocessors
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It is sad for older gen Intel processors owners that h265 will work with 6 and 7th gen Intel processors only. Why it is impossible to do software based hevc exporter?
I don't think anyone said that sofware encoding is impossible.
We don't have this in EDIUS yet.

(I don't know when we are going to have this and I cannot comment on future developments.)
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Old 01-28-2018, 09:49 PM   #14
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Thank you all (sorry, I wrote in French). I understood that it was possible in 8 bit, even without "Quicksync", misinterpretation on my part.
This is why I will not change my card + processor, it works too well.
Well then the Grass Valey team, why are we stuck?
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Old 01-29-2018, 03:56 PM   #15
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jerry mentioned z series chips 3770k is ok i am checking my old motherboard z series never use quick sync lga 1155 socket 3rd/2nd generation will it work if i set it up

1). Intel Chips with onboard graphics and the Z series chipset driven motherboards. In general, these chips have had a lower core count.
Here are just a few Z series chips. 2600k, 3770k, 4790k, 6700k, 7700k, and the most recent 8700k.
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Old 01-29-2018, 04:02 PM   #16
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Yes, I did mention a list of chips with Quick Sync capabilities. To be clear, H.264 is used in all of the chips listed, but only the 6,7, and 8 series chips are capable of exporting H.265 by way of using Quick Sync.
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Old 01-29-2018, 08:24 PM   #17
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A pity, we note that Z processors are less efficient than others, how is it that we are blocked at this point?
We are able to read H265, even in 2 or 3 tracks, but export it no!
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Old 01-29-2018, 11:12 PM   #18
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As I think Jerry mentioned with TMPGenc 6 one can encode to h265 with either the software, Intel QS or NVENC for Nvidia GPU like my 1080Ti which will encode in about realtime from HQX to h265.
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Implementing nvenc in EDIUS would make things so easy!
- people with older systems only would need to buy a new graphics card instead of a whole new system
- people with XEONs or bigger multicore i7 could benefit from faster HW encode
- the nVidia SDK is there and quality is quite good from own tests at least on Pascal cards and I expect even better with the next generation (volta?) and implementation of B-frames

GV should implement that beside QuickSync and let the user decide, we already can decide between iGPU and GPU for rendering effects or primary color correction in EDIUS.


I did some intensive comparison using UHD 25p files encoding to 70Mbps HEVC 10bit using Coffelake QuickSync, nvenc on Pascal and x265.

To be honest the quality differences are not to big any more with "good" parameters, but in the end I would give QuickSync the edge when GOP length is set to maximum (64) and reference files increased to 6 (both decrease encoding speed a bit, reach nearly 14fps on 8700K).

nvenc is about 16fps from FFmpeg in 10bit and gives a bit smoother output with nearly invisible I-frame interactions but with slightly lesser detail/sharpness in comparison to QS.

x265 also is not the holy grail since I get only about 3,6fps using preset medium and qualitywise its not worth the extra conversion time in my eyes, even not with more motion in the video.
Sharpness and detail is also only second in comparison to QS.
In low contrast detail x265 performs a bit better.

In the end qualitywise Coffelake QS wins for me in regards of speed and quality with the maxed out parameters!

Unluckily Im currently running into some problems/crashes using QS but I think GV will fix that.
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Implementing nvenc in EDIUS would make things so easy!
- people with older systems only would need to buy a new graphics card instead of a whole new system
- people with XEONs or bigger multicore i7 could benefit from faster HW encode
- the nVidia SDK is there and quality is quite good from own tests at least on Pascal cards and I expect even better with the next generation (volta?) and implementation of B-frames

GV should implement that beside QuickSync and let the user decide, we already can decide between iGPU and GPU for rendering effects or primary color correction in EDIUS.


I did some intensive comparison using UHD 25p files encoding to 70Mbps HEVC 10bit using Coffelake QuickSync, nvenc on Pascal and x265.

To be honest the quality differences are not to big any more with "good" parameters, but in the end I would give QuickSync the edge when GOP length is set to maximum (64) and reference files increased to 6 (both decrease encoding speed a bit, reach nearly 14fps on 8700K).

nvenc is about 16fps from FFmpeg in 10bit and gives a bit smoother output with nearly invisible I-frame interactions but with slightly lesser detail/sharpness in comparison to QS.

x265 also is not the holy grail since I get only about 3,6fps using preset medium and qualitywise its not worth the extra conversion time in my eyes, even not with more motion in the video.
Sharpness and detail is also only second in comparison to QS.
In low contrast detail x265 performs a bit better.

In the end qualitywise Coffelake QS wins for me in regards of speed and quality with the maxed out parameters!

Unluckily Im currently running into some problems/crashes using QS but I think GV will fix that.
thank you for all these tests and thank you to GV to take into account
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