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Old 02-12-2008, 04:15 PM   #1
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Default Asus P5E3 Deluxe + Intel Dual Core E6850 processor Works with NX PCI-Express + 4.54 ?

I'm writing these two questions because i don't find any compatibility information about these products....

The first question is:

Edius NX PCI-Express with Edius Software v4.54 works fine with Asus P5E3 Deluxe + Intel Dual Core E6850 processor (P4 3.0 GHz - 1333MHz fsb) ???


Second question is:

Now we have a PERFECT system with ASUS P5WD2 Premium with Pentium 4 (670) 3.8 GHz Hyper Treading and Edius NX PCI-Express with Edius Software v4.54...
If we change our motherboard and processor with Asus P5E3 Deluxe + Intel Dual Core E6850 processor (P4 3.0 GHz - 1333MHz fsb), we could see an increment of performances or not???


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Old 02-12-2008, 05:07 PM   #2
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I'm writing these two questions because i don't find any compatibility information about these products....

The first question is:

Edius NX PCI-X with Edius Software v4.54 works fine with Asus P5E3 Deluxe + Intel Dual Core E6850 processor (P4 3.0 GHz - 1333MHz fsb) ???


Second question is:

Now we have a PERFECT system with ASUS P5WD2 Premium with Pentium 4 (670) 3.8 GHz Hyper Treading and Edius NX PCI-X with Edius Software v4.54...
If we change our motherboard and processor with Asus P5E3 Deluxe + Intel Dual Core E6850 processor (P4 3.0 GHz - 1333MHz fsb), we could see an increment of performances or not???


Best regards, Max

Max, That question has come up here a few times lately regarding the compatibility of the PCI-X version of the NX in these new generation mainboards that have a PCI bridge to offer support for a 64bit PCI-X slot. Since these mainboards do not have a seperate PCI bus to support this PCI-X slot, it is hard to say what configurations would work with the NX. If PCI-X NX was the only card in the system I would say that you would most likely be fine. But if you install a traditional PCI card into one of the other PCI slots you will most likely be knocking the performance down on the PCI-X slot to standard PCI performance. Since I do not have a PCI-X NX in house I could not check this out for you. But PCI-X boards are best suited for true server boards that would preferably be running multi-core Xeons. Now that bumps the budget of your upgrade to a whole new level.

The new 1333MHz fsb based quad core systems are faster than the older 3.8GHz P4 systems but that 3.8 is not slow. Are you using the PCI-X NX for HD editing in its current configuration?

It may make more sense to re-purpose your current system and build a new Quad-Core PCIe based NX system. Mayby a capture / ingest system that handles some of the easier editing jobs and the new system for the heavy compositing and tougher jobs. With all the heavy rendering needed to get these files onto Blu-Ray, multiple systems are starting to make a lot of sense.

I also hate dismanteling a PERFECT running system for the sake of a few MHz more crunching power. So I would suggest a new second system and a good KVM switch if space is a factor in your studio.
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Old 02-12-2008, 05:22 PM   #3
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Default NX PCI Express... not PCI-X 64Bit

Sorry i've make a mistake.

I've the new NX PCI-Express version ... not the old PCI-X 64 bit

The question is about NX PCI-Express over Asus P5E3 Deluxe + Intel Dual Core E6850 processor...

I need some information from someone that has tried this configuration....

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Old 02-12-2008, 06:08 PM   #4
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Max,

Read these two threads.

http://ediusforum.grassvalley.com/fo...ead.php?t=4648

http://ediusforum.grassvalley.com/fo...ead.php?t=4576

These are two rock solid builds that I suggest. Both Quad Core, 1333 FSB. The PK564 WS is listed on the GV certified for NX PCIe.
It rocks and is super stable!
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Old 02-12-2008, 07:05 PM   #5
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it is hard to say what configurations would work with the NX. If PCI-X NX was the only card in the system I would say that you would most likely be fine. But if you install a traditional PCI card into one of the other PCI slots you will most likely be knocking the performance down on the PCI-X slot to standard PCI performance. .... But PCI-X boards are best suited for true server boards that would preferably be running multi-core Xeons. Now that bumps the budget of your upgrade to a whole new level.
Hi George,

I have almost the same problem. I just wanted to buy a board and a CPU being suitable both for NX and Edius SP. At the beginning I wanted to use my NX with the new components. After a certain time I would change the NX onto SP.

I am currently planning to purchase a P5E3 WS as well. CPU would be a Quad (Q9550).

On this board I would use of course three cards:

Nvidia 7600GT PCEe 16x
Edius SP Base-Card PCI-X
Edius HDV-Board PCI 16x

Do you think it would mean that this boards is not really compatible to Edius SP? Some ASUS-Boards were already tested by GV also for SP.

User "Vienna1944er" has also meant, it wouldn´t be ok ... You know, I wanted it too much to be true... Likely isn´t it.

It would be perhaps an opportunity for me to buy a GV-Pegasus for SD/HD-Capture and upgrade the software onto Edius Broadcast. It would have event though a much worse workflow, I could however live with it...

Thanks for your answer.

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I am currently planning to purchase a P5E3 WS as well. CPU would be a Quad (Q9550).
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Istvan, I do not see a P5E3 WS mainboard from Asus.

Could you mean P5E WS?

You caught me off guard with that CPU, I did not realize that it existed yet. Quad Core 2.83 GHz for half the cost of a QX9650 is a nice price vs performance value leader.

Then I stumbled upon the QX9770. guess that may be the last QX9650 system that I build :) 3.2GHz Quad @ 1333 FSB.

Anyway, if you do try a PCI-X mainboard with the X38 chipset, I would not plan on utilizing either of the two 32bit PCI slots. So that would rule out an SP or PCI-X NX as they are two card solutions that require a nearby 32bit PCI slot.

The SP is a great product, but it is at end of life in its current form. It has been out for like 3 years and is now available for less than half its original MSRP. I would not go this route at this point in time, unless you already owned one.

The NX Express is a great value. It is PCIe and comes with the latest Edius Pro.

Looking at Asus' line up of X38 & P35 mainboards, the X38 models P5E3 Deluxe and P5E WS Professional, I like the P5E3 Deluxe better. But its only real advantage over the P35 based P5K64 WS is the extreme overclocking abilities. So, I being a system builder would stick with the proven P5K64 WS that is certified by Grass Valley and I have built PCIe NX systems with this board and they work great!

So, read those threads that I provided above and build to that recipe while saving a few $ by going with the Q9550 and the Nvidia card that you had already stated.
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Then I stumbled upon the QX9770. guess that may be the last QX9650 system that I build :) 3.2GHz Quad @ 1333 FSB.

George,
You might want to hold off on that particular chip. All reports shows it to be a power hog and massive heat producer. With only a 6 to 8% boost over the 9650, I don't think it will be worth the hassle of trying to power this thing as well as cool the box.
The 1600 FSB is said to only help in a few applications.
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Then I stumbled upon the QX9770. guess that may be the last QX9650 system that I build :) 3.2GHz Quad @ 1333 FSB.

George,
You might want to hold off on that particular chip. All reports shows it to be a power hog and massive heat producer. With only a 6 to 8% boost over the 9650, I don't think it will be worth the hassle of trying to power this thing as well as cool the box.
The 1600 FSB is said to only help in a few applications.
Hey Jerry, I thought you chime in on this thread sooner or later. I hear you on that QX9770, Sounds like a pre-overclocked QX9650. Try to overclock one of those and yes, you better be ready for some serious power and cooling. The QX9650 purrs as it is. Cathryn (Imagine Video) built one of my speced systems and she is still waiting on her 9650 processor, but her 6850 dual core is smoothly streaming 7 streams of 1440x1080 HQ. My clients 9650 system just completed a 5 cam multi-cam in HQ - HD as well.
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Hi George,

thanks a lot for your information. I know of course that Edius SP is an old - but very good - product. That was anyway the reason of willing to buy it. A great value for this price...

On the other side there are many aspects forcing me to make a decision against it:

- PCI-X
- new MB
- new power supply
- new RAMs
- new CPU

I am really tending to buy only a Pegasus. It makes perhaps generally sense no longer to invest in SD YUV-Capturing. I am also approaching the time of editing completely in HD (XDCAM, P2). I use however - sometimes - Betacam SP or DVCPRO 25 too. For these moments it is ok to capture with pegasus and edit in Edius (NX for HDV) ...

From the amount of Edius SP can I buy a Pegasus-Card, the Software Procoder 3, an Upgrade onto Edius Broadcast etc. It is perhaps a better idea...

Thank you anyway for your help. Also for user Hans "vienna1944er" :-))

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Hi George,

thanks a lot for your information. I know of course that Edius SP is an old - but very good - product. That was anyway the reason of willing to buy it. A great value for this price...

On the other side there are many aspects forcing me to make a decision against it:


From the amount of Edius SP can I buy a Pegasus-Card, the Software Procoder 3, an Upgrade onto Edius Broadcast etc. It is perhaps a better idea...

Thank you anyway for your help. Also for user Hans "vienna1944er" :-))

Regards,

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Yes I would agree. Though you will not have a live output to feed a reference monitor................for now.

I am hoping that they come out with an external device like the BlackMagic Design Multi-Bridge Pro and Eclipse. Or open up Edius to work with it.
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