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Old 03-11-2014, 11:46 AM   #1
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Hi.

I have had a look around the web and the forum, but can't find a definitive list as to what is GPU capable within Edius.

Is there a list somewhere of all GPU accelerated options within Edius, for instance, a list of GPU assisted plugins.

In the past I have only used Edius as a cutter, so never had the need to use GPU anything. I am now bored stupid with round robin trips in post for processes like colouring etc. and am convinced that I can get what I need by staying in E7 with extra plugins and GPU, hence my question.

Could anyone recommend some starting points for GPU assisted colouring and FX, and what GPU's are best to run within Edius.

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Old 03-11-2014, 12:29 PM   #2
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I don't think Edius uses GPU for anything different than few built in GPU filters, which are marked as GPU.
It doesn't do GPU scaling, debayering, decoding or color correction, whole engine seams to be CPU based. GV is your friend for this question :)
Thanks 4K.

I understand that the base functionality of Edius is CPU, but it is a little vague as to what the GPU functionality is in E7, hence the question.

You are right that this question is more aimed at GV, but GV's technical presence on the forum is not what it used to be, so I am expecting help from experienced users.

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Old 03-11-2014, 12:39 PM   #3
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all NewBlueFX have GPU acceleration but this causes jaggies if you rotate anything, so while I was using NewBlue, I disabled the effects with rotation from GPU use
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Old 03-11-2014, 01:07 PM   #4
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Edius was designed by Canopus and GV has pretty much kept to the basic concept. Canopus believed firmly in a YUV desktop and not using the GPU to boost performance. The scaleable technology was for CPU improvements only.
This worked fine because Edius didn't support a lot of 3rd party plugins. RT performance was quite impressive for the day.

Times change and so does technology. Premiere Pro CS6/CC has greatly improved performance by leveraging the power of the GPU. This has leveled the RT playing field. Where Premiere Pro CS6/CC is excelling in RT performance is within 4k and much closer to home with plugins. If you haven't tried Premiere Pro lately, you will be impressed at the performance. I still prefer the way Edius edits over Premiere Pro.

If you add a high end card such as a Titan Black or 780ti superclocked, the biggest gain will be seen in Premeire. If you are running a lower ended CPU and a relatively new video card on your Edius system, you will see a bigger improvement by upgrading your CPU than your GPU.

Another difference is that the Premiere Pro desktop is RGB. Close to 100% of all plugins are written for RGB. Where Edius has to convert these plugins from YUV to RGB back to YUV, Premiere Pro accepts the RGB plugin and romps on it.
Horsepower isn't wasted on conversions but is directly applied to playback.

Now that Edius 7 has more plugin support, and the majority of these plugins are RGB and GPU based, maybe it is time to re-think the importance of the YUV desktop and the minimal use of the GPU within Edius.
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Old 03-11-2014, 01:18 PM   #5
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So how does an RGB plugin work in YUV without conversion?
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all NewBlueFX have GPU acceleration but this causes jaggies if you rotate anything, so while I was using NewBlue, I disabled the effects with rotation from GPU use
Thanks Anton, that's exactly what I was looking for as I am particularly looking at the NewBlue stuff, so that is great to know.

I am basically looking at staying inside Edius for a complete end to end workflow. Having used many extended workflows for everything from web interviews to cinema releases, I am not convinced that you really need to do extended post workflows for a lot of stuff. I see a lot of people doing things just because they can and not because it's necessary, hence my total Edius workflow test.

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Old 03-11-2014, 01:50 PM   #7
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If YUV is so important, then why are all of the plugins written for RGB? Why isn't compositing software YUV? Plus, how much loss do you see with an output from Premiere or FCPX?
That is one RGB to YUV conversion on output. So BBC doesn't accept any products from Premiere Pro or FCPX?
It all just seems contradictory.

Most of the 3rd party plugins that are used within Edius, are GPU driven. As far as I know, the only non-RGB plugin is Vistitle.
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Thanks Anton, that's exactly what I was looking for as I am particularly looking at the NewBlue stuff, so that is great to know.

I am basically looking at staying inside Edius for a complete end to end workflow. Having used many extended workflows for everything from web interviews to cinema releases, I am not convinced that you really need to do extended post workflows for a lot of stuff. I see a lot of people doing things just because they can and not because it's necessary, hence my total Edius workflow test.

Cheers,
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New Blue has still not released a GV 'certified' version for Edius 7. There are still issues within the plugins. In a lot of cases, turning off the GPU wouldn't even solve the rotation jaggies.
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Thanks Anton, that's exactly what I was looking for as I am particularly looking at the NewBlue stuff, so that is great to know.

I am basically looking at staying inside Edius for a complete end to end workflow. Having used many extended workflows for everything from web interviews to cinema releases, I am not convinced that you really need to do extended post workflows for a lot of stuff. I see a lot of people doing things just because they can and not because it's necessary, hence my total Edius workflow test.

Cheers,
Dave.
also, if you have Robuskey you can enable GPU acceleration
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Old 03-11-2014, 05:09 PM   #10
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I just found an excellent explanation on Premiere. It does work in YUV. It also, converts to RGB when needed.

"Only the track items containing non-YUV effects will be converted to RGB, and only for the non-RGB effects."

In essence, they are doing the same thing that Edius is doing....but with better results.
I don't know if the conversion processing is aided by the video card or not. But, I do know that Premiere's performance definitely increased with GPU implementation.
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