Pal - NTSC

Mr Bill · 06-03-2007, 04:19 AM

Hi guys,

Currently have ProCoder v2 and am happy with the PAL to NTSC feature.
(unlike the problems of procoder express)

My question , has V3 improved PAL to NTSC ?

The only real negative I see is when something moves quickly in the shot such as a car going by etc...
It has a slight ghost effect as there obviously is enough frames in the PAL format to make the NTSC file run smoothly as a original 30 frame NTSC file would.

Or is v3 about new features only ?

Bill

Mr Bill · 06-05-2007, 04:46 PM

Quote:

... has V3 improved PAL to NTSC ?

Or is v3 about new features only ?

Anybody . . . ?

Aristotelis · 06-05-2007, 07:24 PM

I haven't tried PC3 yet, but I think that it is all about new features...some of them are really important though...

antonsvideo · 06-06-2007, 01:12 AM

I compared PC3 to T4, when it comes to moving objects especially picture in picture movement, Tmpeg4 looks better when going Pal to NTSC

yes BH and KH, the Tai Chi montage

**GrassValley_BH** · 06-06-2007, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antonsvideo

yes BH and KH, the Tai Chi montage

Heh, T4 - "optimized for Tai Chi"

**GrassValley_KH** · 06-06-2007, 02:09 AM

Speaking of that clip - I lost it and have been searching everywhere for it.

It was a very good test clip for interlacing.

antonsvideo · 06-06-2007, 02:27 AM

I will upload it an pm you a url

Mr Bill · 06-06-2007, 07:49 AM

Quote:

I compared PC3 to T4, when it comes to moving objects especially picture in picture movement, Tmpeg4 looks better when going Pal to NTSC

Hi Anton,

Thanks for that.

I will give Tmpeg4 trial a go.

Paul Curtis · 06-06-2007, 07:55 AM

When I recently used PC3 to convert some interlaced PAL footage to NTSC, I noticed that the resulting footage displayed a brief (one frame) horizontal interference pattern with every scene change. It was fairly light, and not as offensive as the nasty glitches that PC2 sometimes throws up on 25i->30i conversions, but it was still noticeable enough to distract my attention from the actual footage. I still think that the original ProCoder does a better job of standards conversion than its successors.

Nowadays, I just use an AviSynth script to do my conversions.

--Paul Curtis

antonsvideo · 06-06-2007, 10:50 AM

PC3 seems to do field blending during conversion, this blending looks fine for normal shots with not much movement, but looks like a ghost image behind the PIP in case of a PIP moving sideways through screen

T4 appears to de-interlace such movements and as a result, there is no ghost

06-03-2007, 04:19 AM	#1
Mr Bill Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 321	Pal - NTSC Hi guys, Currently have ProCoder v2 and am happy with the PAL to NTSC feature. (unlike the problems of procoder express) My question , has V3 improved PAL to NTSC ? The only real negative I see is when something moves quickly in the shot such as a car going by etc... It has a slight ghost effect as there obviously is enough frames in the PAL format to make the NTSC file run smoothly as a original 30 frame NTSC file would. Or is v3 about new features only ? Bill __________________ . GESTOS PRODUCTIONS www.gpvideo.com.au

06-05-2007, 07:24 PM	#3
Aristotelis Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Thomastown, Ireland Posts: 665	I haven't tried PC3 yet, but I think that it is all about new features...some of them are really important though... __________________ Aristotelis Bafaloukos Systems Engineer, Video Editor, 3D Artist BEng (Hons), MSc, MBCS Ctrl+Alt+Delete

06-06-2007, 01:12 AM	#4
antonsvideo Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 22,119	I compared PC3 to T4, when it comes to moving objects especially picture in picture movement, Tmpeg4 looks better when going Pal to NTSC yes BH and KH, the Tai Chi montage __________________ Anton Strauss Antons Video Productions - Sydney EDIUS 9 WG with Matrox MXO2, Asrock X99 Extreme 6, Intel Core i7 5960X Extreme Haswell-E 8-Core, Corsair Water Cooling, Nvidia Geforce GTX-980, Samsung 860 Pro SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 3 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Fractal Design Arc XL Tower, 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win7 Pro

06-06-2007, 02:27 AM	#7
antonsvideo Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 22,119	I will upload it an pm you a url __________________ Anton Strauss Antons Video Productions - Sydney EDIUS 9 WG with Matrox MXO2, Asrock X99 Extreme 6, Intel Core i7 5960X Extreme Haswell-E 8-Core, Corsair Water Cooling, Nvidia Geforce GTX-980, Samsung 860 Pro SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 3 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Fractal Design Arc XL Tower, 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win7 Pro

06-06-2007, 10:50 AM	#10
antonsvideo Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 22,119	PC3 seems to do field blending during conversion, this blending looks fine for normal shots with not much movement, but looks like a ghost image behind the PIP in case of a PIP moving sideways through screen T4 appears to de-interlace such movements and as a result, there is no ghost __________________ Anton Strauss Antons Video Productions - Sydney EDIUS 9 WG with Matrox MXO2, Asrock X99 Extreme 6, Intel Core i7 5960X Extreme Haswell-E 8-Core, Corsair Water Cooling, Nvidia Geforce GTX-980, Samsung 860 Pro SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 3 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Fractal Design Arc XL Tower, 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win7 Pro

06-06-2007, 02:09 AM	#6
GrassValley_KH Mr Sparkle Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 3,748	Speaking of that clip - I lost it and have been searching everywhere for it. It was a very good test clip for interlacing.

06-06-2007, 07:55 AM	#9
Paul Curtis Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 11	When I recently used PC3 to convert some interlaced PAL footage to NTSC, I noticed that the resulting footage displayed a brief (one frame) horizontal interference pattern with every scene change. It was fairly light, and not as offensive as the nasty glitches that PC2 sometimes throws up on 25i->30i conversions, but it was still noticeable enough to distract my attention from the actual footage. I still think that the original ProCoder does a better job of standards conversion than its successors. Nowadays, I just use an AviSynth script to do my conversions. --Paul Curtis

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