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Old 10-11-2017, 06:13 PM   #11
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What I am really interested much more is: How about unrendered playback performance of UHD ?

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All my source is 60P so I have no experience with 10bit source as only my GH5 can shoot 10bit and then only at 30P. I am thinking of getting a Atomos Ninja Inferno so then can record UHD 60P 10bit. Until then its 8bit.

Single track is fine on my system at full resolution. 2 tracks with a PIP on one of them plays OK at 1/2 resolution, 3 tracks with PIPs plays with 1/4 resolution and full buffers.

My normal edit is 1 track UHD 60P and 2 or 3 tracks of XAVC-S 1920 x1080 60P in a 1920 x1080 60i project. I can multicam this at 1/4 resolution and play back this in normal mode at full resolution with usually some layouter cropping on the GH5 UHD 60P and colour correction on most of the tracks.
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:26 PM   #12
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Take a look at this thread starting at Post #26. Download Noa's files and get a baseline to compare your system.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:31 PM   #13
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Take a look at this thread starting at Post #26. Download Noa's files and get a baseline to compare your system.
It was another thread, this one: https://forum.grassvalley.com/forum/...3&postcount=26

Would be indeed interesting to use these files for comparison
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Old 10-12-2017, 02:36 AM   #14
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I forgot to paste in the link! Sorry. Here is the thread link as it has some playback results. https://forum.grassvalley.com/forum/...t=40437&page=3
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Old 10-12-2017, 05:32 PM   #15
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Thanks all for the usefuls hints an links.

I can see, that current processors with QS manage to play around 1-2 clips smoothly, but come to the limits when adding a 3rd clip - just like my 7700K.

Interesting that the stronger multicore without Quicksync cannot beat the QS processors. A clear sign for everybody using h.264 and thinking about buying an AMD Ryzen.

Edius Workgroup users benefit from low res option when it comes to heavy footage.

For all non-workgroup users my advice is to select 8bit, 1280*720 res, and simple interpolation (no lanczos3) in project stettings while editing 4K. Also switch off optical flow and stabilizer filter and, very important, switch of iGPU-graphics support for the Primary Color Correction Filter. The latter slows down 4K-performance significantly. This will all contribute to decent playback performance.

Push it all up again prior to export (and delete renderfiles though) to get the best quality.
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Old 10-13-2017, 03:22 AM   #16
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Did you download and try to playback the clips? They are 10bit 4:2:2 4k files and about the most stress you can put on playback today outside of them being 60p.

"Beating" Quicksync is not the correct way to look at this. Quicksync has a set encoding quality. If you match that encoding quality the x.264 encoding will actually beat QS with a strong enough processor plus you have the overall speed for higher quality encoding.
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:24 AM   #17
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Bassmann, I downloaded all the 6 clips and put them onto the timeline of a 4K project together with a clip of my own (4K 8 bit Panasonic MP4 h.264) for comparison. iGPU monitorings shows clearly, that all 6 files are not supported by the iGPU i.e. by quicksync whereas my clip is supported. Performance effects are well visible. I do not know what kind of compression format that really is, but it is just simply not supported - at least not in playback mode.

It is clear, that more processor power will play these clips better. But for qs/non-qs comparisons, these clips are not helpful.
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I do not know what kind of compression format that really is
Those clips are from a Panasonic gh5 in it's 150mbs 25p 4K 10 bit 4:2:2 codec, they are straight from the card so no conversion has been done.

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Old 10-13-2017, 02:03 PM   #19
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Since you haven't posted your system specs, I have to guess that you have a system slower than my 4790k. I can play those files with dissolves and 2 PIP's in realtime in a 10bit project.

25p is easy on the system but not good for motion. If you want to test your system download the PAL 50p files from here:
https://www.harmonicinc.com/free-4k-demo-footage/
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Hotte,

I think you need to slow down a bit and learn some more about hardware and Quicksync. Quicksync provides playback acceleration as well as hardware encoding. Two separate tasks.

1) Playback Acceleration is only for certain types of codecs and specs. The files from Noa are not supported by Quicksync for acceleration as QS stops at 8bit.

2) Encoding is very fast with QS but there is no free lunch. QS is fast because quality compromises have been made. If you make those same quality compromises with a software encoder things speed up to match.

If you are happy with the QS encoding output and you shoot with 4:2:0 8bit codecs then case closed, a QS capable processor is the best choice. Anything beyond that then tough choices appear.
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