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Old 11-15-2018, 08:37 AM   #1
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Default KONA 5 in GVs future?

AJA have just released the KONA 5, https://www.aja.com/products/kona-5

Looks to have the specifications that I was hoping a mythical GV Storm 12G might have had had it ever been built.

GV, and I have to say, experienced integrators have let me know that there just isnt a big enough market to support an equivalent GV card.

I am hoping that GV can OEM this with comprehensive drivers so I can get a 4K HDR solution for monitoring, amongst its other capabilities.

This card would also future proof Edius for more sophisticated users looking at a 4K future. This deserves serious consideration GV!
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Old 11-15-2018, 11:55 AM   #2
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The Kona 4's price was $2,000. When used all it get's you is a preview, and not 4k 50/60p.
http://www.ediusworld.com/en/support...WMatrix-EN.pdf

So, along comes Kona 5 and it's $3,000 price tag. Is it worth that price to get just a preview device that will do 10bit 4k 50/60p(If that happens)?

I like AJA cards. They are the closest in quality construction to the GV cards.
That said, the Kona 4 card that costs $2,000 will get the exact same 50/60p functionality as a Decklink mini-monitor that costs under $200.
Neither support 4K 50/60p but they both support HD 50/60p.
If you are using the card for other NLE's that are supported, then that is something entirely different.

You can keep your fingers crossed in hopes of the Kona 5 getting drivers and 10bit 4K 50/60p support.
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Old 12-03-2018, 01:50 AM   #3
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Thanks Jerry, I was alluding to an OEM arrangment whereby the card would be rebranded/packaged as a GV product with deep integration for its capabilities and full support for many succeeding generations of Edius software.

This potential option would be presumably far cheaper for GV than starting a new production line, and gives them an attractive option for high end users. Remember they did, or do have a super expensive 4K solution already for the Japanese domestic market. I understand your comments re the prosumer market.

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Thanks Gerry, I was alluding to an OEM arrangment whereby the card would be rebranded/packaged as a GV product with deep integration for its capabilities and full support for many succeeding generations of Edius software.

This potential option would be presumably far cheaper for GV than starting a new production line, and gives them an attractive option for high end users. Remember they did, or do have a super expensive 4K solution already for the Japanese domestic market. I understand your comments re the prosumer market.
Although that sounds like a great idea and more so for us Edius users, I doubt that, or anything similar, will ever happen.

It'd probably be seen as bad commercial practice for one manufacturer to rely on another for what is basically theirs. This did happen in the early days of NLEs where Avid would use hardware by another manufacturer, Pinnical if I remember correctly for their Madras boards and others relied on another manufacturers chipsets, C-Cube and their MPEG2 encoder chips as a for instance.

Another practical problem with such arrangements, possible direct competition not withstanding as all these manufacturers/companies are basically competitors in the same market. Is the possibility of the hardware supplier going out of business.

But as Jerry has said, fingers crossed that drivers may be the way forward in the future.
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Old 12-03-2018, 09:22 AM   #5
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There is no need to OEM it, GV always write their own drivers and support for everything. They just need to support it in future versions of EDIUS. But as Jerry says, I would be hard pushed to justify the extra cost over a Blackmagic card. Blackmagic are not brilliant but they are "good enough".

A customer bought an Intensity Pro 4K off me about 2 years ago and it went wrong. It is out of guarantee and he asked what is there which is better to buy. I had to say just get another one. You could get an AJA instead for a lot more money which may last longer but you could buy the Intensity a few times over with the money you spend on the AJA.

Avid do still rely on others for their hardware - their latest boxes are just special versions of Blackmagic ones (of which they make not secret)
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Old 06-05-2019, 10:23 PM   #6
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Interestingly AJA have just updated drivers to 15.2 for the Kona 5 and now is claimed to do 8K..

"8K capture/playback with AJA KONA 5 and AJA Control Room, plus support for 8K rasters within the AJA SDK"

On paper this appears to be multi generations ahead of Storm 3G cards in capability, if only the drivers existed in Edius for full functionality from this card.

I understand that BMD and simiar level products meet many peoples needs here, but we have 8K cameras at work and I remain convinced that full functionality from this card with Edius will be an attrractive option for higher end users.

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Even if you shell out the money for the Kona 5, it will more than likely have the same functionality as the Kona 4.

KONA 4 functions.png

Notice it mentions all items work as preview device. There is no mention of capture.
So, $3,000 for a preview card. I like AJA cards, but not for that price and lack of functionality.
If you are using other software, then it would be worth it.

Get a Decklink Extreme 12G. You could buy 3 of these for the price of 1 Kona 5.
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I guess it is just a matter of time before we have a BMD Decklink 8K Extreme 4X12G version as well! Of course this will have full functionality for various NLE software packages but only playback for Edius if above is a guide. Edius does not want to play in that market?

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I guess it is just a matter of time before we have a BMD Decklink 8K Extreme 4X12G version as well! Of course this will have full functionality for various NLE software packages but only playback for Edius if above is a guide. Edius does not want to compete in that market?
That guide is a little out dated. Originally capture was not supported, but when the GV I/O's started being discontinued, GV started allowing capture via 3rd party cards.

I don't have my Intensity installed any more, but when I did I could capture via the card, just like I could capture via my MX02 Mini MAX that I currently have up until Edius 9.31, or so the story goes, and haven't tried the MX02 since, (haven't had to capture anything in a long time. Edius still lists the MX02 as an available capture device in the settings though I have not actually tried since moving to Edius 9.1). I'm sure others will attest that the decklink can also capture. Perhaps an AJA user could comment on those cards for capture. What you can't do is RS422 machine control via Edius.

Decklinks and Kona cards do support machine control, but Edius only does machine control via GV hardware, which isn't being made anymore.

Machine control via Edius would be nice for those that have legacy RS422 controllable decks, such as TV/News stations and post production houses, but the reality is that tape decks are now really legacy equipment, so it's unlikely that GV will port support their RS422 code over to make use of the decklink or kona cards, unless TV stations start demanding it.
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you can capture with the Matrox MXO2 with EDIUS 9.30 and earlier

there is no more capture from version 9.31 onwards, I have not received info on why capture vanished without any announcement in the readme

you can however capture with digitools from Matrox, but the captured files are not accepted by 9.40, but they work fine in EDIUS 9.3 and any version EDIUS 8 and any version EDIUS 7

you need to convert these Matrox files with third party software prior to opening in 9.40
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