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Old 01-27-2020, 06:37 PM   #1
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Default Intel new CPU 5Hz turbo boost.

Edius likes Intel CPU's with high clock speeds and on board Quicksync.

Mostly to save power only one core will be capable of a high clock speed once over 4 cores.

Intel have changed this by bringing out a special edition the i9-9900K making an i9900KS an 8 core CPU where all 8 cores will turbo up to 5GHz so say Intel.

The power consumption might be a bit heavy 127watts so good cooling is needed. It is only PCIe 3.0 16 lanes whereas the AMD Threadripper 3970X 32 core is PCIe 4.0 72 lanes and turbo's up the same but is double the power consumption of the Intel.

The AMD has no on chip encode/decoding of

Codec h264
Codec JPEG
Codec h265 8bit
Codec h265 10bit
Codec VP8
Codec VP9
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Codec AVC

Whether the AMD 32 cores will overcome the disadvantages of Intel on chip decoding I don't know but without Intel Quicksync H265 encoding for example is not available in the Edius exporter.

So it would be interesting to see practical Edius jobs side by side on the two systems on say a multicamera 4K/UHD shoot.

An interesting shoot out that would be

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Old 01-27-2020, 08:14 PM   #2
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We can only hope that EDIUS 10 will take advantage of all the available CPU and GPU options. Right now if you only use EDIUS, Intel with QS CPU is the way to go. If you also use other NLE type software then I expect the AMD Threadrippers will win by a long way. With lots of people, even me as a hobby, are shooting completely in UHD with 8K on the horizon relying on Intel with QS is not going to cut it.
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Old 01-27-2020, 08:23 PM   #3
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I feel that the limited pci lanes, no pcie4 and power hungry 14nm chips put all the intel current line up on a direct route to extinction with no upgrade path available. In my humble opinion they are a dead end, and not worth considering for a new build - OK if you really need QS and have no other way to create H265 - which is really only an Edius issue, then you are doomed to await next generation 10 or 7nm architecture chips from Intel.

By the way, Handbrake is hugely fast with Ryzen9 and Threadripper.

Just my opinion mind you.

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Old 01-27-2020, 09:27 PM   #4
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I use Resolve to encode my HQX masters from EDIUS to h265. Using the NVIDIA encoder in the 1080Ti it encodes at just about 3 times realtime for a HD master and just faster than realtime for UHD. TMPGenc MW7 is a little slower but with more control as the Resolve preset has little controls with audio being fixed at 192 AAC turns out fine for my purpose though. Took an 89.8MB HQX file to 5.67MB, a 1 hour 26 min show time encoded in 27 mins.
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Currently I use two 18 core Xeons in my best PC, but if I download MP4 from YouTube Edius can't play it in real time and lowering the playback resolution doesn't help.

I have to turn off 2 cores on each CPU in the bios as Edius can only handle 64 threads and defaults to 32 if all 18 cores are enabled.

M2T 50i files in a 50p project have to be loaded, then Edius closed then re-opened then they play in real time otherwise they stutter.

The 2 CPU's I have come out at 23,400 passmark each but are only 2.3GHz the AMD comes out double at 48,000 and Turbo clocks up to over 5GHz.

I can play at 50p UHD 10 Bit 1 full screen layer of HQX with 3 clips at 25% (scaled with layouter) on the tracks above. 4 clips superimposed is the limit where buffer counts down.

I can go to 6 layers at 25% superimposed at 8bit half resolution but at that point, watching performance monitor, I run out of Hard Drive performance on the internal RAID0 (4 x 3T drives R/W 600MB/s)

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Old 01-28-2020, 12:43 AM   #6
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Mike I think you've answered your own question. AMD has a better part at almost all positions in the market. Soon the 4800H part will challenge even the QS parts and who knows what will happen when Navi parts are available later for this segment. The Ryzen 9 3900 at $500 is almost as fast as your Xeon system and may be faster with EDIUS as it can clock up higher. Its motherboard is PCIe 4.0 so can have ridiculously fast storage. You could put a whole system together for less than the cost of one Xeon cpu.

Certainly if one is investing in a new system now for any sort of high end work I think the only choice is AMD. The Threadripper systems have moved to a new socket ( much to my disappointment but understandable because of PCIe 4.0 ) So usually AMD stay with a socket for a few generations unlike Intel so a Threadripper purchase now may see you through the next three generations of Threadripper ( this one and two more)

Even with my system I run most active projects off the NVME drives so feeding the CPU is a non issue. With PCIe 4.0 on the newer AMD system even less of a problem. Not sure when I will talk myself into updating !!!!
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OK if you really need QS and have no other way to create H265 - which is really only an Edius issue, then you are doomed to await next generation 10 or 7nm architecture chips from Intel.
Intel are supposed to be getting into he GPU card market this year. If the cards can do QuickSync encoding, it may be an option for the AMD based systems. ....or perhaps Edius 10 opens up NVENC GPU options....

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I expect QS works because it is an internal call in the CPU. If that goes to a discrete GPU it would require the same instructions as any other GPU and then one may as well more use powerful GPU's from AMD or NVIDIA.
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I expect QS works because it is an internal call in the CPU. If that goes to a discrete GPU it would require the same instructions as any other GPU and then one may as well more use powerful GPU's from AMD or NVIDIA.
It may be an internal call in the CPU die, but it is to a GPU core. If the same functionality/instruction set is built into the GPU core in the card it may work as the GPU driver is the bridge between hardware core and software, or it may require a little tweak form GV. I was just pointing out that the whole intel CPU/GPU issue is supposed to change.

I would love to see GPU assist from nVidia and AMD cards opened up, in addition to Intel. At least by doing that there would be a lot of options, and it wouldn't restrict any particular hardware build, particularly in the AMD CPU and laptop areas. We know it can be done, as many other manufacturers are already doing it in competitive products, as well as 3rd party plugins. One of the reasons I am still running a GTX680 is the fact that Edius can't really use a better card, so I didn't see the need for something better simply for the use of NeatVideo, which is the only thing I use regularly that can use the nVidia GPU.
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I think Edius needs to be more hardware intelligent and interrogate the hardware, look at resources available, and choose the best software module for the platform it is working on.

Several apps ask you to do a tune up run before actively using them to give best performance.

Edius could do the same.

In the Windows world it is impossible to lock down a hardware configuration as it is constantly evolving.

A friend of mine has a multicore iMac but when he bought it he was told by the Apple store that Final Cut X only uses 4 cores so more cores would be a waste of money, at least Edius uses all available cores although 64 threads is its current limit.

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