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Old 03-23-2019, 11:16 AM   #11
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I thought I was resonably technical, but this is too much for my brain:)

Perhaps I will stick to using a SATA SSD as I have at the moment.

The main reason for wanting to update my 4th gen CPU was that I have noticed a slight slowdown in some applications since the Spectre / Meltdown "fix". 9th Gen CPUs don't have this issue.
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Old 03-23-2019, 02:17 PM   #12
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No I do not think EDIUS is saturating the 1080Ti ( wish it would ) I was just making the point that with the Intel motherboards saturation just is not possible even if the software wanted it that way. So one may as well buy much lower cost parts. With Resolve saturation is very likely though for GPU(s) and drives. If one is just using EDIUS on the PC then one may just need the onboard QS GPU anyway as I ran this way for several years. Downside was plugins like Neat. Other software may not fare so well.

My point was that using consumer motherboards from Intel or AMD have very real restrictions that do affect performance when additional PCI cards or drives are installed. Multiplexing does not solve that problem just allows more connectors on the motherboard with capacity restriction for simultaneous use. For example it may allow 2 x16 connectors but when 2x 16 GPU cards are installed they both will run at 8x or less if there is a NVME drive also running.

I feel some of my problems last year with repeated frames was due to my motherboard trying to manage the 1080TI ( in the 16 slot ) and IP4K in the 4 lane connector. Removing both and going back to on board GPU and SparkHD all seems to run fine like it did before. None of those type of problems are likely with workstation boards with clear PCI lane allocation. These boards/CPU's are available so why take the risk if one uses lots of PCI plugin boards for various reasons. Or accept the restrictions and work within them.
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Old 03-23-2019, 02:31 PM   #13
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PCI 5.0 will change things but that means new motherboards and CPU/chip sets yet again from Intel. I believe that AMD Ryzen 3000 will come with PCI 4.0 when released in a couple of months and they say that for most AM4 boards a bios update may allow the first 16x slot to run this way on existing boards too. AM5 is expected next year of course. No news on Threadripper but one can expect similar. Though for Threadripper socket may stay and new motherboard layout may be needed similar to EPYC. We will see.
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Old 03-23-2019, 04:03 PM   #14
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I'm now running my 1080ti and my Storm 3G 4x card on my ASRock Extreme 6 and it is rock solid out to monitor in 10bit 60p HD from a UHD 10bit timeline.

Running Resolve or Premiere Pro proficiently requires different hardware than Edius. Dual GPU's and fast multiple cores are recommended.


I wouldn't hesitate to use a 9900k@5GHz on a WS 390 PRO or the Supermicro equivalent with the OP's requirements. This would be with 1 M.2.
Personally, I would stick with a SATA SSD instead of the M.2 for boot. The boot up speed difference is negligible.
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As I said if you only run EDIUS and do not use GPU filters too much you do not even need a separate GPU, integrated GPU is fine. Then you have plenty of PCI lanes. I think lots of us have a 4790K and by itself is great for EDIUS. Still run my second system that way.

However that is a bit like buying an electric car with a 30 mile range until situations change and you need to travel 100 miles a day. New car or wait. You described exactly why I changed to Threadripper to give me more flexibility in software.

My point to the OP is to understand those limitations and if he does have other uses for the PC other than just EDIUS there will be the restrictions we have brought up . That is true if the other uses are games !!! ( Intel will be the choice there overclocked )
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I thought I was resonably technical, but this is too much for my brain:)

Perhaps I will stick to using a SATA SSD as I have at the moment.

The main reason for wanting to update my 4th gen CPU was that I have noticed a slight slowdown in some applications since the Spectre / Meltdown "fix". 9th Gen CPUs don't have this issue.
John, the 9th Gen still has the issue. Until a complete architecture change comes about, Spectre and Meltdown are only fixed by software patches.
I installed the microchip update with the latest bios and immediately rolled back.

Ice Lake is coming to desktop next year and might be the architectural change needed.
Read this article about Ice lake. It will have some very nice new additions.
These may be the changes that were headed for Tiger Lake and moved up.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/comput...-need-to-know/

Will there be more lanes? Well, with PCI-E 5.0 being implemented in Ice Lake, there is a possibility. More bandwidth, could mean more pci-e lanes.
We will have to wait to see. Two things being implemented are the 11th Gen Graphics module and Thunderbolt 3 direct from the chip.
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