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Old 09-25-2017, 09:44 AM   #1
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Default Is AMD Ryzen worth the bucks

I'm considering the purchase of a DIY workstation based on the new AMD Ryzen CPU. I did a quick search at the forums here but I haven't been able to get a clear picture on system performance and stability with Edius 7.2 or 7.5. Puget Systems, an enterprise specializing in testing -among others- NLE software with certain hardware, concludes that, on tests done with Premiere 2017, AMD Ryzen CPUs are a very interesting choice, since performance is really close to relative Intel CPUs, with the exception of warp stabilization filters. Anyone with experience on the subject, please share your views as well as inform me on whether the Quick Sync option is disabled when using an AMD processor. If so, I'd be happy to get some feedback on differences in export time and rendering compared to the above feature enabled.

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Quicksync is only on specific Intel CPU's. To get it to work not only do you have to use one of these Intel CPU's but also a compatible motherboard board to take advantage of the on board GPU. I think you may find editing with EDIUS is faster on a new Intel CPU with Quicksync than a Ryzen 1700 or 1800 cpu. I have not yet seen a comparison for Threadripper 16 core though. However to use that one also needs a fast GPU too. I too am waiting to see how all these new CPU's turn out in EDIUS. Intel will also soon release a 6 core CPU with quicksync that may end up the best choice for most editing.
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Well, that's sort of disappointing to hear. My Intel I7 CPU exports a 10-minute Full HD video at 20 Mbps in under 5 minutes. I'd hate to see this feature be unavailable with an AMD processor. The thing is I also use Premiere a lot and since tests show the new AMDs are pretty close in performance with their relative Intel ones, I somehow thought this would apply to Edius as well. Ron, could you please be more specific on why you think I'd benefit more from an Intel CPU than a Ryzen 1700 or an 1800? Is performance and export time worth spending two times the money for an Intel CPU and a compatible motherboard?
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The 6 core Coffee Lake CPU i7 8700K with Quicksync is actually less than the Ryzen 1700 by about $50. Also if you are like me you do not need a GPU either as you can run with just the on board GPU. As you can see from my signature I only have the on board GPU in my system. So actually this new Coffee Lake CPU system could end up a lot cheaper than the AMD and since it can clock up to 4.7G may actually be a lot faster for most computing as well. This could of course be different if EDIUS would use a fast GPU for all its computing however at the moment EDIUS only uses Quicksync and its effect is considerable. I also recognize that lots of users also use GPU accelerated effects in their editing which I do not. May want to look at this http://www.tomshardware.com/news/int...ing,35531.html Threadripper may be more usefully in that it has lots of PCI lanes for those that need them but with a fast GPU will be an expensive system.
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Old 09-25-2017, 06:27 PM   #5
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Also if you are like me you do not need a GPU either as you can run with just the on board GPU.
Well, I understand but my work has to do with graphics as well and since I also work with Premiere a lot, I really need the external graphics card for Mercury Engine. Edius also benefits a lot from it, especially when applying filters from third party plugins. The Threadripper is an extremely expensive choice, that's true. I'm still confused, to tell you the truth. Looking again at the AMD system that Puget used for the test, the selected hardware doesn't have much of a price difference, compared to an Intel one, it's around 200 dollars. At first, I was considering the Ryzen 1700, which is around 180 dollars cheaper than the 1800 (the prices refer to my country). I'm not so sure now.

Copying from the Puget Systems site: "the Intel Core i7 7800X is a hair cheaper than the AMD Ryzen 7 1700X while being slightly faster for exporting/rendering previews and about 24% faster for warp stabilize. Averaged out, this makes the i7 7800X about 10% faster overall for $10 less. One step up from that, the Intel Core i7 7820X is a bit more expensive than the Ryzen 7 1800X, but in exchange it is a solid 17% faster at exporting, 15% faster at rendering previews, 32% faster at warp stabilize, and better at live playback. On average, this makes the i7 7820X about 18% faster than the AMD 7 1800X for $100 more. X299 motherboards do tend to be around $120 more than the lowest end AMD motherboard which will negate most of this pricing advantage, but keep in mind that the more affordable AMD motherboards are often lacking in features like WiFi or USB 3.1 and often use lower quality components to achieve the low price points."
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Old 09-25-2017, 06:52 PM   #6
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I was referring to the upcoming 6 core i7 8700K, due early October, which is supposed to be up to 25% faster again than the i7 7700. Not sure there are any "real" comparisons yet. OF course if you use lots of filters etc and Premiere then you would have a separate GPU. I was just pointing out that for someone like me an AMD CPU would need the GPU to work and an added expensive for my needs. I may still go that way as I want to improve my UHD editing in multicam.
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This is getting confusing tbh, Edius is definitely weird sometimes... before giving my final thoughts on this topic I first decided to test another 4K h.264 based video on my 1800X and to my great surprise... I'm getting realtime playback as well as with all 4K HEVC videos I have tested, so what is going on here? what's so especial on this other particular 4K h.264 that only Edius refuse to play smoothly on my 1800X as well as on my 6700K (unless Internal HD graphics is enabled in the bios) I always had the wrong impression that Ryzen despite of all it's 8 cores was a beast in Vegas, Premier, VPX etc but not so good enough for Edius especially for 4K h.264 and I always blamed GV for it, I don't know what to say rn other than just go with either one you want
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Were you playing back with EDIUS on both machines?
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Were you playing back with EDIUS on both machines?
I'm having trouble with this particular 4K H.264 on both of my machines, none of them plays it smoothly unless on the 6700K Internal HD graphics is enabled in the bios, that is why I used to recommend one i7 with Internal HD graphics but this is getting confusing bc on another 4K H.264 video I get realtime playback on my 1800X with no problems that is why I think Edius 8 acts weird sometimes
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My system will play a single track of UHD 60P from either the GH5 or the FDR-AX1. However will not do so in multicam when I have to go to 1/4 resolution to get them to play. Not a big deal for me at the moment but it would be nice to have a system that played well in this mode. I do not apply lots of effects, some colour correction to match cameras and for both UHD tracks will crop in, pan, zoom etc ( the whole point for me to use UHD )
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