Questions about FCB & TMPG 5

Bassman · 05-21-2011, 03:37 PM

Hello,

I am a long time Edius user with 5.5 and I have recently started using TMPGenc 5 for all of my DVD and Blu-ray encoding. I wanted to ask some questions about using T5 with the FCB card to other users so here it goes.

1) How much faster is the encoding?

I have a Intel i7-920 (OC to 3.0 Mhz) and 12GB of ram. My workflow is to output a Canopus Lossless file from Edius and input into T5.
For CBR Blu-ray (no Filters) I get 1:1 encoding time.
For VBR Blu-ray (no Filters) I get 1:2 encoding time.
For CBR DVD (color correction & contour filters) I get 1:2.5 encoding time.
For CBR DVD (color correction & contour filters) I get 1:4.5 encoding time.

So with VBR DVD with filters I am at 4.5x the project length to encode the file. This is the best image quality which is what I am after (please don't suggest a lesser option :) ).

2) Will the FCB help my DVD encoding times given I have some filters in use?

3) I have a Gigabyte motherboard. I have read that there is a compatibility issue. Is there a "workaround" or am I just out of luck for the FCB?

Thanks for your input.

MPPais · 05-21-2011, 06:53 PM

I use SpursEngine and plug-in to Edius 6.Together they d a good job. I upscale SD to HD with the option SpursEngine with a very good result. SpursEngine is fast but not more faster....With plug-in to Edius we can Print to file directly from timeline and to choose hardware (SpursEngine) or software encoders.Hardware encoder is faster than software encoder but ther's not a great difference because software and hardware encoders work in conjugation.As you can see at Forum many users don't love plug-in to Edius and they work like you do.Also I can tell you that with your workflow denoiser filter with SpursEngine do a good job (we must choose SpursEngine profile).You have trial versions SpursEngine and plug-in for Edius 5.So you can do experiences and see results by yourself.

Ron Evans · 05-22-2011, 02:33 PM

Since you are after the best quality I would stay with the software encode. Spurs is one pass encoding and in my tests is not as good as the 2 pass VBR software encode. I use T4 with the TMPGenc Spurs plug in, FCB.

My flow is to export a HQ fine file and encode in T4. I do not apply any filters in T4 as I get the file exactly as I want in Edius so T4 is just a downconvert and encode and this is about 2.5 times realtime on my system. For Bluray I use the T4 Spurs to create an AVC file that I then author in DVD Architect ( need to change file designation to AVC). Bluray encode is about realtime or a little faster.

If you don't own FCB I would not bother.

Ron Evans

Bassman · 05-22-2011, 03:27 PM

Thanks for your input Ron! I really like the results I am getting from T5 but the DVD encode times are killing me. I sent a support question to TMPG about three weeks ago and have never heard back... My CPU usage only gets up to ~20% while encoding mpeg-2 with all of the cores are not being used either.

While I do not want the program to **** up every resource, 20% is just wasting time that could be saved.

Hope your recitals are going well.

05-21-2011, 03:37 PM	#1
Bassman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 2,433	Questions about FCB & TMPG 5 Hello, I am a long time Edius user with 5.5 and I have recently started using TMPGenc 5 for all of my DVD and Blu-ray encoding. I wanted to ask some questions about using T5 with the FCB card to other users so here it goes. 1) How much faster is the encoding? I have a Intel i7-920 (OC to 3.0 Mhz) and 12GB of ram. My workflow is to output a Canopus Lossless file from Edius and input into T5. For CBR Blu-ray (no Filters) I get 1:1 encoding time. For VBR Blu-ray (no Filters) I get 1:2 encoding time. For CBR DVD (color correction & contour filters) I get 1:2.5 encoding time. For CBR DVD (color correction & contour filters) I get 1:4.5 encoding time. So with VBR DVD with filters I am at 4.5x the project length to encode the file. This is the best image quality which is what I am after (please don't suggest a lesser option :) ). 2) Will the FCB help my DVD encoding times given I have some filters in use? 3) I have a Gigabyte motherboard. I have read that there is a compatibility issue. Is there a "workaround" or am I just out of luck for the FCB? Thanks for your input.

05-21-2011, 06:53 PM	#2
MPPais Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lisboa-Portugal Posts: 429	I use SpursEngine and plug-in to Edius 6.Together they d a good job. I upscale SD to HD with the option SpursEngine with a very good result. SpursEngine is fast but not more faster....With plug-in to Edius we can Print to file directly from timeline and to choose hardware (SpursEngine) or software encoders.Hardware encoder is faster than software encoder but ther's not a great difference because software and hardware encoders work in conjugation.As you can see at Forum many users don't love plug-in to Edius and they work like you do.Also I can tell you that with your workflow denoiser filter with SpursEngine do a good job (we must choose SpursEngine profile).You have trial versions SpursEngine and plug-in for Edius 5.So you can do experiences and see results by yourself. __________________ MPPais Last edited by MPPais; 05-22-2011 at 02:34 AM.

05-22-2011, 02:33 PM	#3
Ron Evans Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ottawa Posts: 3,953	Since you are after the best quality I would stay with the software encode. Spurs is one pass encoding and in my tests is not as good as the 2 pass VBR software encode. I use T4 with the TMPGenc Spurs plug in, FCB. My flow is to export a HQ fine file and encode in T4. I do not apply any filters in T4 as I get the file exactly as I want in Edius so T4 is just a downconvert and encode and this is about 2.5 times realtime on my system. For Bluray I use the T4 Spurs to create an AVC file that I then author in DVD Architect ( need to change file designation to AVC). Bluray encode is about realtime or a little faster. If you don't own FCB I would not bother. Ron Evans __________________ Ron Evans Threadripper 1920 stock clock 3.7, Gigabyte Designare X399 MB, 32G G.Skill 3200CL14, 500G M.2 SATA OS, 500G EVO 850 temp. 1T EVO 850 render, 6T Source, 2 x 1T NVME, MSI 1080Ti 11G , EVGA 850 G2, LG BLuray Burner, BM IP4K, WIN10 Pro ASUS PB328 monitor, BenQ BL2711U 4K preview monitor, EDIUS 9.5 WG, Vegas 17, Resolve Studio 16 Cameras: GH5S, GH5, FDR-AX100, FDR-AX53, DJI OSMO Pocket, Atomos Ninja V

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05-22-2011, 03:27 PM	#4
Bassman Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 2,433	Thanks for your input Ron! I really like the results I am getting from T5 but the DVD encode times are killing me. I sent a support question to TMPG about three weeks ago and have never heard back... My CPU usage only gets up to ~20% while encoding mpeg-2 with all of the cores are not being used either. While I do not want the program to **** up every resource, 20% is just wasting time that could be saved. Hope your recitals are going well.