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trillium 08-21-2019 08:59 PM

captioning - open and closed
 
I may to create captioning for an upcoming project. Is there a tutorial somewhere that explains how to do this in Edius? I've read in the manual how to combine a caption clip and a video clip but I did not see how the caption clip is created in Edius. Do I need additional software to do this or can Edius do it alone other than creating the text in a text editor?

I'll keep searching the forum but so far I have not found what I need to know through searches. I know it has been discussed here.

Thanks for any help.

Jerry 08-21-2019 09:38 PM

Currently, you have to use external caption software to create an official caption file.
Do a Google search for caption software.

BernH 08-21-2019 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trillium (Post 323546)
I may to create captioning for an upcoming project. Is there a tutorial somewhere that explains how to do this in Edius? I've read in the manual how to combine a caption clip and a video clip but I did not see how the caption clip is created in Edius. Do I need additional software to do this or can Edius do it alone other than creating the text in a text editor?

I'll keep searching the forum but so far I have not found what I need to know through searches. I know it has been discussed here.

Thanks for any help.

Edius can't create the closed caption clip. This has to be done in another software such as Mac Caption, Caption Maker, or even Subtitle Edit.

Once you have the text timed to a video guide in these softwares, you can export an .scc file that you can then match up in Edius.

I have played around with this using both Mac Caption and Subtitle Edit, and was successful in my tests. I don't normally have to do this so I can't say I have a lot of experience, but it is a functional workflow.

Open captions are essentially text overlays (basically the same as doing subtitles) that can be created in the same softwares and exported as a video file with an alpha channel that is just put on top of the video in edius, or created in something like Vistitle.

Andreas has posted a good little tutorial using Subtitle Edit for subtitling that may give you a good kick start in all of this.
https://forum.grassvalley.com/forum/...light=subtitle

trillium 08-21-2019 11:09 PM

Thanks, I thought in E9 they had added native captioning support. Guess I get to learn something new. I'll probably be doing open captions in the upcoming project.

Jerry 08-22-2019 12:10 AM

Edius 9 does have native captioning support for import and playback only.

GrassValley_SL 08-22-2019 12:56 AM

and export. :)

trillium 08-22-2019 07:37 PM

None of the video on the Subtitle Edit seem to load. Gonna take some time to learn this. Doesn't seem to recognize any of my Edius mp4 exports, I'll try downloading the filters. I better move this to another forum discussing 3rd party stuff.

Thanks for the tips.

trillium 08-27-2019 09:51 PM

Been trying to import a forum suggested format from Subtitle Edit into Edius the FC xml + image version. Edius says the file frame rate is wrong though I have 59.94 set in both my Edius project and Subtitle. Edius receives the file as 60fps and won't load it.

I'll try another export setting and try again. But wondering why the mixup between Edius and Subtitle. I'll move this discussion over to3rd party stuff after this post.

BernH 08-28-2019 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trillium (Post 323650)
Been trying to import a forum suggested format from Subtitle Edit into Edius the FC xml + image version. Edius says the file frame rate is wrong though I have 59.94 set in both my Edius project and Subtitle. Edius receives the file as 60fps and won't load it.

I'll try another export setting and try again. But wondering why the mixup between Edius and Subtitle. I'll move this discussion over to3rd party stuff after this post.

The whole 29.97/59.94 thing needs a little clarification, as there are really interlaced and progressive variations of each, and interlaced and progressive are completely different animals that need to be treated differently.

Basically, 23.98p, and 29.97i/59.94i are NTSC specific framerates, and it appears that older versions of Subtitle edit are not putting the NTSC tag in the xml, which is not entirely surprising, since it is written by someone in Denmark where NTSC does not exist, and this was the issue with post number 6 in the thread I pointed you to above. Andreas said he would report the issue to the author, and the tag seems to be there in some places in the version he just released a few days ago, but not in all the rate/timebase sections of the xml. The NTSC tags needs to be inserted into all the rate/timebase sections for Edius to read it correctly.

If you are referring to 59.94p as the framerate, then there may be a different issue, as 59.94i is really 29.97, it just depends on if you are counting fields or frames, and why I have them listed above as 29.97i/59.94i instead of two separate entities, but 59.94p is frames since it is progressive and therefore double the framerate of 29.97i/59.94i.

Basically, you may need to choose 29.97 in subtitle edit if you are editing 59.94i in edius, and 59.94 in subtitle edit, if you are 59.94p in edius. You should also be aware of the "SMPTE timing (drop frame)" option in the video menu of subtitle edit, as our broadcast timecode in North America uses drop frame timecode.

If you find reading xml files to see what is actually happening a bit overwhelming, Microsoft has a great little xml editor called xml notepad that makes it a lot easier to make sense of the xml and edit it.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/down...s.aspx?id=7973

If you can't figure it out and want to provide a little more detail on your actual framerate, whether 59.94i or 59.94p, I can have a look when I get home from work tomorrow unless someone else beats me to it.

***Addendum***
Just had a thought. It may be possible to pass the xml, or an fcpx xml through davinci resolve to "clean it" and format it properly.

trillium 08-28-2019 05:43 PM

Thanks for taking time to discuss this. There is no real need for me to shoot the project in 60p so I'll try the 29.97 frame rate and see what happens in Subtitle. Sorry I did not catch the fine points in previous post. I've been looking for some good tutorials online but I haven't found the level of detail I need to figure out Subtitle's settings successfully. I'm actually hoping our disabilities service unit will subtitle the video but I still want to learn the process for myself. I don't really understand the various export formats or how they work in Edius though I've read the Edius manual- it doesn't mention the Final Cut xml format anywhere I can find. I need ti make open captions for this project and of course could do this in CG at the expense of a great deal of time and effort.

I'm trying to manually transcribe the content using the SE onboard tools wav/text interface, kind of tedious but interesting..


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