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Haddock 11-10-2019 10:40 AM

Exporting a video in mp4 with Timecode and date of recording
 
Hello,

There is a mistake in the title of the thread "with Timecode and the clock (hours-minutes) of recording

I have been in the field to record in UHD a process during several days.

I will derush (clean the genuine clips only in "cuts")... and then transmit a "light" MP4 to the site manager of each day of recording with the time code
... BUT I would like to have also the hour and minutes (clock time) so the manager can do the best choice in relation to his field notes.

Is there somwhere in Edius 9.5 a parameters to display simultaneously these 2 informations and export it ik the MP4.

Thanks for help

DigitalDave 11-10-2019 10:51 AM

I dont think that is possible. it may be possible to manually overlay with NewBlue FX clock- never tried it.
NEXT TIME set your timecode to Free Run and use the time of day as your source.

Haddock 11-10-2019 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DigitalDave (Post 325757)
I dont think that is possible. it may be possible to manually overlay with NewBlue FX clock- never tried it.
NEXT TIME set your timecode to Free Run and use the time of day as your source.

Thanks, I will try

Haddock 11-10-2019 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Haddock (Post 325760)
Thanks, I will try

In fact I don't understand how to parameter. Does it mean that Timecode will be replaced by clock ?

GrassValley_SL 11-10-2019 02:51 PM

Think outside the box. Do 2 exports. On with time code and one with recording time/day and timcode
Export one with time of day for example.
Put it over the original footage
Mask the top layer so that only the meta data is visible. Now export with all the info you requested.
Make sure to set the timecode to timecode again.
A bit of work but you are getting paid after all. ;)

Note forgot to add that recording: time is not available on all formats .
If you find it is not available the New filer is a good suggestion.
You have to add it on a colormatte for example and export whit the clips before you start you clip selction or you should leave the clips you selected add their absolute timeline position. But you risk the possibility of letting people look at long periods of black with clock.

BernH 11-10-2019 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Haddock (Post 325761)
In fact I don't understand how to parameter. Does it mean that Timecode will be replaced by clock ?

Hi Yvon,

Dave's suggestion for "Time of Day" tmecode is often standard practice on film shoots. Essentially the timecode counter is set/used as a 24 hour clock that uses the digits as the same HH:MM:SS:FF, but instead of counting from 0 they are aligned with the time of day. A timecode of 18:23:54:12 means the video was shot at 18:23:54 in 24H clock time or 6:23:54pm for a 12H reference.

This way you will have coincident/unique timecode for syncing, and it represents the time of the day that the footage was shot and one timecode clock serves 2 purposes.

If you are shooting multiple cameras and sound recorders, it is best to sync them all using a sync box or feeds from a master "time of day" timecode clock, although it is also common to use a sound recorder as the master clock source and sync the cameras to that using sync boxes or as the very least a "jam sync"

Haddock 11-10-2019 03:29 PM

Thank Steve,...

How can I : "Export one with time of day for example." Is this in replacement of the date "Timecode" proposed in the export parameters ? And if yes, where can I validate this ?

Sorry I am lost.

GrassValley_SL 11-10-2019 03:43 PM

https://wwwapps.grassvalley.com/manu...html#gsc.tab=0

Set the timecode to rec time. If it is not available for your original asset you will have to use something like the Newblue Clock filter and set that start time and framrate manually.

DigitalDave 11-10-2019 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GrassValley_SL (Post 325768)
https://wwwapps.grassvalley.com/manu...html#gsc.tab=0

Set the timecode to rec time. If it is not available for your original asset you will have to use something like the Newblue Clock filter and set that start time and framrate manually.

Also you would have to change the position.
I have just checked and the clock is in NewBlue Elements and works a treat. You would set the time in NB, at the start of each clip to the start time ie 15.30.25
That said, I dont have ANY boxes to think outside of, all recycled but if every clip was in its own sequence, you would set the EACH sequence code to the correct time of the clip and export showing THAT sequence code.

DigitalDave 11-10-2019 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BernH (Post 325765)
Hi Yvon,

Dave's suggestion for "Time of Day" tmecode is often standard practice on film shoots. Essentially the timecode counter is set/used as a 24 hour clock that uses the digits as the same HH:MM:SS:FF, but instead of counting from 0 they are aligned with the time of day. A timecode of 18:23:54:12 means the video was shot at 18:23:54 in 24H clock time or 6:23:54pm for a 12H reference.

This way you will have coincident/unique timecode for syncing, and it represents the time of the day that the footage was shot and one timecode clock serves 2 purposes.

If you are shooting multiple cameras and sound recorders, it is bet to sync them all using a sync box or feeds from a master "time of day" timecode clock, although it is also common to use a sound recorder as the master clock source and sync the cameras to that using sync boxes or as the very least a "jam sync""

Every pro camera I have owned over the past 30+ years has a CLOCK setting that uses the clock setting set up in the camera and on many shoots we will jam sync from one source.
LIGHT relief- A couple of years ago I was putting together a promo for a Raunchy Burlesque Cabaret show. The lovely slightly camp producer suggested the next shot should be from an "orgy", (it was a dance with a lot of steamy floor movements). Looking at the Clock Timcodes in the bin and seeing one with a TC that started 15:45 he proudly suggested,"David, how about we try the quarter to four orgy". We were both in hysterics and just at that moment, my wife came home poped her head through to say "Hello"and neither of us could speak any sense to tell her what was so funny. Ah Clock Timecodes....

Haddock 11-10-2019 06:21 PM

Thank you to you all for many anwers on Sunday....

But seen all these answers... I am lost on what I expect a "simple answer".
Because each file of the genuine recording in UHD contains the clock time of the recording... I expected that Edius could show it on screen in combination (or not) with the time code of my TimeLine....

Tomorrow, I will try the GV-SL suggestion : Think outside the box. Do 2 exports.

I let you know if success.

Thanks again to all

DigitalDave 11-11-2019 11:37 AM

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I have just had another look at this.
I can achieve this from MXF files by using the XML not the MXF.
Screenshot and settings attached

Haddock 11-11-2019 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DigitalDave (Post 325788)
I have just had another look at this.
I can achieve this from MXF files by using the XML not the MXF.
Screenshot and settings attached

A big thank you for your help... I am close to it but this is the result I obtain ... my files are UHD in MP4...

I am lost with these info : "from MXF files by using the XML not the MXF."

Haddock 11-11-2019 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Haddock (Post 325799)
A big thank you for your help... I am close to it but this is the result I obtain ... my files are UHD in MP4...

I am lost with these info : "from MXF files by using the XML not the MXF."

To complete info : MTS files are giving the same result as yours ...fine but MOV and MP4 are not working...

Is there something I can change ?

DigitalDave 11-11-2019 04:35 PM

This probably needs an explanation from Steve. MXF is a file format wrapper but just as with P2 files it comes with an XML file. The XML file on the timeline allows the date data to be displayed, but as with your MP4 the MXF file does not.
I only discovered this today, when exporting sections filmed with Free Run timecode of a misbehaving domestic product, to send to a technical department. After changing my export settings I started to"play", tried the XML and found the date data displayed.

Haddock 11-11-2019 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DigitalDave (Post 325801)
This probably needs an explanation from Steve. MXF is a file format wrapper but just as with P2 files it comes with an XML file. The XML file on the timeline allows the date data to be displayed, but as with your MP4 the MXF file does not.
I only discovered this today, when exporting sections filmed with Free Run timecode of a misbehaving domestic product, to send to a technical department. After changing my export settings I started to"play", tried the XML and found the date data displayed.

Well finally I see that my first question is interesting. When recording on several cameras (set on the same clock) it is a plus to export ...

Now let's hope that there is a way to solve my problem with mp4 and mov...

Thanks again, you find the good parameters.... !

NewBlue_MJ 11-12-2019 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DigitalDave (Post 325770)
Also you would have to change the position.
I have just checked and the clock is in NewBlue Elements and works a treat. You would set the time in NB, at the start of each clip to the start time ie 15.30.25
That said, I dont have ANY boxes to think outside of, all recycled but if every clip was in its own sequence, you would set the EACH sequence code to the correct time of the clip and export showing THAT sequence code.

Thank you Dave! Just wanted to mention that if you need to have two separate timecodes showing on your video, you can always add the Time Clock effect to your clip twice and set the times on each independently.

antonsvideo 11-12-2019 11:37 PM

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it works fine here providing user settings are correct and the files have been added to bin via source browser, because the associated xml files contain the date and time info

DigitalDave 11-13-2019 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by antonsvideo (Post 325853)
it works fine here providing user settings are correct and the files have been added to bin via source browser, because the associated xml files contain the date and time info

Agreed but of course Mov files dont work as they dont have the associated XML. I'm guessing P2 will work as well.
I dont use Source Browser, never got on with it and have managed without it.
I do recall when I first had my Sony with MXF onto XQD cards I asked about the difference when using MXF v XML.

Haddock 11-13-2019 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by antonsvideo (Post 325853)
it works fine here providing user settings are correct and the files have been added to bin via source browser, because the associated xml files contain the date and time info

Thanks for follow-up but no success here respecting your parameters.

It works with MTS files but not with UHD-MP4 coming from my Panasonic camera.

I am first creating a folder in the bin (date). Then open (CTRL+O) and select the clips of these date : MTS (Sony-HD) + MP4 (Panasonic-UHD) + MOV (Canon EOS 5DMIV-HD). Only the MTS files gives the Info....

Should I convert first ?

antonsvideo 11-13-2019 10:12 PM

have you tried adding the Panasonic files via source browser, add and transfer

the associated xml files may hold the key to the date and time

Haddock 11-14-2019 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by antonsvideo (Post 325882)
have you tried adding the Panasonic files via source browser, add and transfer

the associated xml files may hold the key to the date and time

I have done several tests from the source browser. I saw the genuine files (from the connection) and go immediately to the time line. No success.

GrassValley_SL 11-14-2019 02:36 PM

IIRC you are using a GH5.
At this time EDIUS cannot read REC date and time from files created with the GH5 for export.
We will have a solution in a future update.

Haddock 11-14-2019 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GrassValley_SL (Post 325911)
IIRC you are using a GH5.
At this time EDIUS cannot read REC date and time from files created with the GH5 for export.
We will have a solution in a future update.

Two camera's are giving files with clock not visible :

- Canon 5DM4 (mov)
- Panasonic HC-X1 (MP4 or MOV).

Thanks to have share your experience... cross fingers for the future

DigitalDave 11-14-2019 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrassValley_SL (Post 325911)
IIRC you are using a GH5.
At this time EDIUS cannot read REC date and time from files created with the GH5 for export.
We will have a solution in a future update.

Purely out of interest, what files will display date on the TL as well as seq TC.
ProRes Mov as an example will display time in the bin but not on the TL. They dont have an XML unlike MXF.
The point being the data is being read.

GrassValley_SL 11-14-2019 06:06 PM

Will ask QA if they can Provide a list.

Haddock 11-15-2019 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GrassValley_SL (Post 325920)
Will ask QA if they can Provide a list.

Thanks (thanks is to short message....to enter the thread)

Haddock 11-18-2019 12:07 PM

I don't remember where I can post a demand to the GV Edius team creators/editors for future progress !

Can, somebody, remember me the link ?

Thank's in advance

antonsvideo 11-18-2019 01:34 PM

it is one of the stickies
https://forum.grassvalley.com/forum/...ad.php?t=24594

GrassValley_PS 11-18-2019 07:21 PM

And just for translation purposes it is a request not a demand.

Haddock 11-19-2019 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GrassValley_PS (Post 326040)
And just for translation purposes it is a request not a demand.

Well English is not my mother language... and google gives "exactly" (Doc) the same translation on a first step.... then in french "requête"

Sorry for these mystake

GrassValley_PS 11-19-2019 06:45 PM

No need to apologize. Translation tools make their best guess. The two words have different meanings. My admiration to anyone that speaks more than 1 language.


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