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shueardm 02-07-2011 11:12 AM

Spurs Engine TVMW5 Encore Presets (level 4.1)
 
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I have some presets on Level 4.1 H.264 that I have made with success. (L 4.1 means higher bitrate than previous maximum of 24Mbs)

I have only tested the 50i and the 23.976P presets with a run time of half hour. All work in Adobe Encore CS5 without re-encoding and built to image. The 60i ones shouls also work, let us know if not. Haven't done 720P yet.
Also tested with DVD architect 5.02 (fine)

Note: Not tested in any other version of Encore than CS5. It also takes some time to import (like normal). Not tested with TMP 4 xpress, this is version 5 presets.
Note: May not 100% fully BD compliant because does not work in DVDit PRO HD.
Note: These are all CBR - You may change to VBR, just make the maximum bitrate within 1.5x of the average bitrate.

Let me know how you go.

Footnote: I was told by Grass Valley (some time ago) that the FireCoder Blu was not even capable of doing Level 4.1 H.264 because of Toshiba's implementation. I guess that was smoke and mirrors to get me of their back!! When will Grass Valley take responsibility for this product and give us some proper software integration.

tony 02-07-2011 11:34 AM

Mark, these are faster presets compared to the other ones you posted. a lot faster.

shueardm 02-07-2011 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony (Post 142342)
Mark, these are faster presets compared to the other ones you posted. a lot faster.

Yes, the x264wil be a lot better though.
The Spurs Engine shouldn't be used for mastering important jobs, just private or small paid local jobs.

Speed wise, it's half of realtime compared to overnight job

tony 02-07-2011 11:40 AM

Its telling me 7hrs to encode 2hrs 25mins, thats a lot faster compared to 21hrs +

Thanks.

UPDATE: now saying 8hrs +

shueardm 02-07-2011 11:47 AM

It comes down if you wait a bit, it should take around 1.5 hours to complete.

tony 02-07-2011 11:49 AM

OK Mark, I'll let it work away.

shueardm 02-07-2011 11:52 AM

That is a massive run time for a first test. It will take an hour to import to Encore as well.
Why not cancell and try a 20 minute version.
What source have you got BTW?

tony 02-07-2011 12:02 PM

I think you right Mark, 20 mins is enough, When I used the full Timeline to compare I new the exact encoding times in my tests.

My source is a canopus HQ Fine from my HD Edius5 timeline.

tony 02-07-2011 02:27 PM

That canopus HQ avi took 1hr 30min to encode, longer than I thought.

Ron Evans 02-07-2011 08:31 PM

I just did a 1 hour 45min HQ fine file to AVC elementary stream video file using Spurs plugin with TMPGenc 4 Xpress, Level 4.1, 30,000max, 25,000 average VBR . It took just about 55mins on my PC. File is named mvp which I change to .avc which DVD Architect is happy with. Audio is processed separately.

Ron Evans

MPPais 02-07-2011 08:51 PM

Today I received this answer about plugin SpursEngine to Edius6:
Dear Mr. Pais,

Thank you for you continuous use of our TMPGEnc software.

My question:
> I bought TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 5 and I am very happy with him. Do you have the possibities to produce a plugin to Edius 6? I see in your japanese site that there is a plugin to the old Encoder4. I am sure that most Edius 6 users will be very happy because this plugin is a dream for us!!!

We are currently working on the English version of the Edius Plug-in so
it should be released soon. Be aware the English version will have the
same limitations than the Japanese version
. It will include only an
MPEG-2 encoder (through our own encoder and the SpursEngine encoder).

shueardm 02-08-2011 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony (Post 142383)
That canopus HQ avi took 1hr 30min to encode, longer than I thought.

What - the 2 hour 25min file? You area hard man to please.

tony 02-08-2011 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shueardm (Post 142450)
What - the 2 hour 25min file? You area hard man to please.

:)

No Mark, a 20min file took 1hr 30min to encode, remember you said test with a 20min version.

shueardm 02-08-2011 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony (Post 142497)
:)

No Mark, a 20min file took 1hr 30min to encode, remember you said test with a 20min version.

Well that is strange. My tests were similar to the FireCoder Writer software in speed, ie 20 mins in, 10-12 mins to output.
Perhaps you were scaling and didn;t realize it.

tony 02-08-2011 10:35 AM

I'll try again Mark, I'm using this preset.

SpursEngine Level 4.1 CBR 32000 BD 1920x1080 50i.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shueardm (Post 142501)
.
Perhaps you were scaling and didn;t realize it.

Dont know.

Thanks

shueardm 02-08-2011 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony (Post 142503)
I'll try again Mark, I'm using this preset.

SpursEngine Level 4.1 CBR 32000 BD 1920x1080 50i.



Dont know.

Thanks

Was the source 1920x1080 50i as well? If not, it will scale and take longer

tony 02-08-2011 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shueardm (Post 142505)
Was the source 1920x1080 50i as well? If not, it will scale and take longer

Yes mark it was but I dont have the Spurs plugin, does this matter???

I'm encoding again and it does look as if its going to take that 1hr 30min again btw

shueardm 02-08-2011 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony (Post 142508)
Yes mark it was but I dont have the Spurs plugin, does this matter???

Well... yeah :)

Claire 02-08-2011 11:53 AM

SpursEngine Level 4.1 CBR 32000 BD 1920x1080 50i preset not working here
 
I downloaded the TEMPGEnc 5 trial yesterday and gave this a go using the SpursEngine Level 4.1 CBR 32000 BD 1920x1080 50i preset to convert some HD footage from my timeline. The .264 elementary stream it produced plays okay in Media Player Classic and TotalMedia Theatre 3 so I thought I would put it into Edius to compare it's quality to the original.

Unfortunately Edius refuses it.

So I thought I would try using System (Video + Audio) to produce an m2t file but it is still rejected by Edius.

Hmmm?

shueardm 02-08-2011 11:57 AM

EDIUS wont play .264 or m2t unless it's HDV. Needs to be .m2ts and I don't think that's possible with TVMW5.
What about Encore Claire, did it work?

Claire 02-08-2011 12:28 PM

Mark, it seems it is possible with TVMW5 , it was an m2t file I made on my 2nd attempt, kept the same preset you supplied, just changed settings from elementary stream to System (Video + Audio), also when I make an .m2t from Edius timeline with FCB (not TVMW5) it works fine in Edius.

Don't have Encore on this computer, did try both files in MovieFactory Pro 7 which happily accepts my Edius/FCB files but it wasn't having them.

tony 02-08-2011 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shueardm (Post 142512)
Well... yeah :)

I thought the Spurs plugin was only needed if you had FCB card.

So if I had the Spurs plugin encoding will be quicker, is this correct.

Thanks.

shueardm 02-08-2011 02:19 PM

Hi Tony.

The presets I created were specifically for Spurs Engine. The encoder drop down is set to use Spurs Engine. So I have no idea what the effect is if ou don't have a Spurs Engine card, it may default to standard Mpeg 2 for all I know. Scratching my head what you were trying to achieve using them.

If you had a FireCoder Blu it would take 10-12 minutes fo rthe 20min video - yes!!

tony 02-08-2011 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shueardm (Post 142534)
.. Scratching my head what you were trying to achieve using them.

Hi Mark, sorta got lost in all those new preset you and Andrew made :)
(I did wonder about the "spurs engine" in its name)

So these latest presets you made are no good unless you have the spurs engine plug-in,... right.



So, is this plug-in any use to me when i dont have the FCB card?.

thanks.

shueardm 02-08-2011 02:36 PM

It's no good to you Tony. It is in the FireCoder Blu forum :)
You might find it's totally unuseable file and would be better with a preset like Mpeg 2 for Blu-ray already designed by Pegasus.

shueardm 02-08-2011 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Evans (Post 142420)
I just did a 1 hour 45min HQ fine file to AVC elementary stream video file using Spurs plugin with TMPGenc 4 Xpress, Level 4.1, 30,000max, 25,000 average VBR . It took just about 55mins on my PC. File is named mvp which I change to .avc which DVD Architect is happy with. Audio is processed separately.

Ron Evans

Hi Ron. Was that using this presst posted or one you whipped up? Perhaps V4 does the same thing we just never worked it out.

tony 02-08-2011 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shueardm (Post 142540)
..would be better with a preset like Mpeg 2 for Blu-ray already designed by Pegasus.

Thanks Mark,

Thats what I usually use, ES MPEG 2.

In TMPGEnc5 my 2hr 25min avi file took 2hrs 35mins to encode.
I picked normal setting and CBR.
I usually go VBR 2 pass btw

thanks for your help.

Jerry 02-09-2011 01:27 AM

Mark,
Upload a very short sample, try filebouncer.com. It will do up to 1gb.
I will try it in Encore CS3 and CS4. Upload and send me the link at sgdv@cfl.rr.com.
I tried a file that Barry did and it imported, went to image and burned to disc. Once on the disc I selected the button it was linked to and got the unable to play format error.
I will try again with yours if you want to give it a shot.

Ron Evans 02-09-2011 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shueardm (Post 142542)
Hi Ron. Was that using this presst posted or one you whipped up? Perhaps V4 does the same thing we just never worked it out.

That is with TMPGenc 4 Xpress with the Spurs plugin. Source is a HQ file 1920x1080, I just changed the values in the format page.Generic MPEG-4 AVC, Level 4.1, VBR, Interlace. On the output stream selected ES Video only. On the SETTINGS ( rate control mode line) page change maximum bit rate to 30000 average to 25000, disc size Blu-ray 25GB ( UDF). This is what I have done since I got the Firecoder Blu just before Christmas. I take the audio directly into DVD Architect so do not need it encoded my TMPGEnc. As I said the file needs to be changed to .avc from .mvp for it to work in DVD Architect .

This same file was projected to take 22 hours using x264 with the V5 trial. I am going to stay with TMPGenc 4Xpress I think.

Ron Evans

tony 02-09-2011 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Evans (Post 142715)

This same file was projected to take 22 hours using x264 with the V5 trial. I am going to stay with TMPGenc 4Xpress I think.

Ron Evans

My file needed 12 hrs to encode with x264, well, I suppose I could live with that if the finished Blu-ray looked great but encore kept sticking and stuttering, no good for me.

Ron Evans 02-09-2011 08:59 PM

I tried a short file with x264 and DVD architect wanted to re-encode it anyway. The Spurs output is good to my eyes anyway so speed is advantage. When I get a new Sandy Bridge PC this summer then it may well be worthwhile looking at V5 again but for now it offers me nothing I want over TMPGENc 4 with the Spurs plugin. With the promised Edius update with Sandy Bridge support we may get a fast H264 encode directly from Edius

Ron Evans

Jerry 02-10-2011 01:00 AM

Mark,
Check your email.

shueardm 02-10-2011 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Evans (Post 142717)
I tried a short file with x264 and DVD architect wanted to re-encode it anyway. The Spurs output is good to my eyes anyway so speed is advantage. When I get a new Sandy Bridge PC this summer then it may well be worthwhile looking at V5 again but for now it offers me nothing I want over TMPGENc 4 with the Spurs plugin. With the promised Edius update with Sandy Bridge support we may get a fast H264 encode directly from Edius

Ron Evans

There are reports that DVDA has issues, it's SONY's problem.

Ron Evans 02-10-2011 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shueardm (Post 142758)
There are reports that DVDA has issues, it's SONY's problem.

I am hoping Sony update DVDA to fix its current issues and include pop-up menus too. I use it for Bluray as it fitted in the work flow for me exporting from Vegas with markers etc. when I first started to make Bluray discs. It is easy to use and flexible so I have stayed with it.
Ron Evans

MPPais 02-18-2011 02:20 PM

TVMW has an important update: TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 5 Version 5.0.3.29 - February 17, 2011
http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/do...w5_rireki.html

shueardm 02-21-2011 01:42 PM

Update: I must have made a mistake when I tried earlier. Today I try 2 seperate attemps with VBR encoding, both time it works.
so please go ahead and change to VBR if you like.

It's fantastic, Spurs Engine + Encore + TMVW5 with Level 4.1 VBR (total control of bitrates) - FireCoder Writer Software (booo -boooooo)

shueardm 02-21-2011 01:52 PM

By the way - I tried one of these presets with DVD Architect (latest V5 build) and it worked. No Buffer Underflow or anything.

Ron Evans 02-21-2011 02:43 PM

I use DVDA 5.2 and the T4+Spurs, AVC VBR, Level 4.1 works just fine as I mentioned in earlier post. IF the time is less than about 1 hour 45 mins though I will encode MPEG2. I don't think there is anything different that I could tell between T5 and T4+Spurs. I use the same HQ file and let T4 encode for Bluray and SD DVD. You can get exactly the same disc navigation/menus etc in DVDA just by changing the properties and media files though I do normally prefer DVDLab for SD DVD's.

Ron Evans

shueardm 02-22-2011 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrew_hd (Post 144137)
x264 updated- maybe speed will match CLI mode.


Andrew

I tried and it's the same if not worse.


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