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Nerfboy 12-06-2009 12:32 PM

Enocoding MPEG, Super Fine vs Normal
 
When using Procoder 3 you get a few choices on what quality setting you wish to encode with. I always set the bit rate to where I think it will fit on a standard DVD...so does this setting matter?

Is Super Fine setting going to make a bigger file? Maybe a dumb Q, but had to be asked.

Khoi Pham 12-06-2009 05:43 PM

No bigger files but better quality but a little longer.

SoundFreak 12-07-2009 04:21 AM

Edius 5 Super Fine is what I normally use and it remains a crisp sharp image.
PC3 with it's master quality results in my experience in a softer picture ...........

Hutch TV 12-08-2011 07:29 AM

Is PRO coder worth it for DVD mpeging?
 
Results in a softer picture?

I thought Procoder 3 was better with dual passing?

SoundFreak_HD 12-08-2011 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hutch TV (Post 167538)
Results in a softer picture?

I thought Procoder 3 was better with dual passing?

Not sure if it has slipped you mind but you just replied to a 2 year old post :)

Time has past and the encoding engine of P3 has not been updated, some of us export straight from timeline, some are using TMPGEnc VMW5.

Generally speaking I use Edius 6.05 HQfine to export a Master AVI file.
That master file I place in a new sequence and export as Mpeg HD with superfine settings.

For SD DVD I use the HQfine AVI master and feed that to TMPGEnc VMW5 using Antons settings also in superfine mode.

Other users possibly have various workflows.

Hutch TV 12-08-2011 12:25 PM

TMPGEnc VMW5 or Procoder
 
Thanks for the info.

So using TMPGEnc VMW5 is a good option then?

Have you compared exact footage with a TMPGEnc VMW5 v Edius super fine (still one pass I assume) v Procoder

Are the improvements in dual pass significant?

Hutch TV 12-18-2011 12:15 PM

PROCODER 3 MPEGS no better than Edius.
 
Well I took delivery of procoder 3 thinking it was going to be a winner for great looking DVD's and I can't believe it THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN IMAGE quality.

Total disapointment as I was hoping it would have really rocked.

As conversions to MPEGS to DVD was the really only reason I bought the software I left feeling "well whats the point for me of Procoder 3.

By the way has anyone tested the difference in quality between doing Mpegs straight from the Edius timeline using the "fine" setting to that of going via "Burn to disc".

SoundFreak_HD 12-18-2011 05:35 PM

Not sure if you read past my comment on the aging encoding engine in P3, some times it's better to see for your self, albight a little costly.

There are a couple of threads regarding no updates etc, should have seen the light :), I sold my P3 dongle a long time ago and never looked back.

In E6 the timeline export from a HD project to SD Mpeg2 for DVD has improved by heaps and is very usable.

I can't comment on the burn to disc as I never use it, my own workflow with AW4 leaves me with more flexibility and I use IMGburn to burn my image file from AW4.

Often a third part encoder is not needed, it just gives more control to who wants it.
I use it mostly for DVD creation and repair of curropt footage from clients.

Superfine encoding retains fine detail but take longer to encode.
Depending on the camera used to record, superfine might create jaggies & shimmering etc if HD content has a large amount of detail and is super sharp, when going to SD often normal settings will help to soften the image and mask problems.

For a camera that produces a softer image superfine help maintaining every bit of detail.
So the only thing you can do is test render a couple of short clips, it's really personal, no right or wrong here.

Hutch TV 12-19-2011 03:07 AM

Pro Coder 3 useless for me
 
Sound Freak this is the just awesome information and yes I did see your comments about how PC3 has been caught up by Edius.

I am using Sony EX1 and Canon XF300 cameras.

Its interesting what you say about Super Fine producing jagged edges. mmm Ok I will do a few tests (gee I am sick of doing all these tests!) and see what looks best.

Is it fair to say that using the Super fine is a bit like doing a dual pass encode?

My 2nd last question is I am hoping to be able to export and then import timeline markers so that what ever Authoring software I choose can import those markers (saves heaps of time).

Even better still what about being able to name the markers in Edius and then those names appear on the authoring menu.

My Final Cut friend asked me about this the other day and I said mmmm i don't think its possible with Edius. This would be a smart move for Grass Valley to improve on (thats if its not already possible).

Finally just when will Grass Valley develop a real professional DVD authoring program that intergrates with Edius. I have used BURN TO DISC alot and even brought in my own back ground images to improve the look but its really an average bit of software that if improved to industry standard would no doubt encourage other NLE users to consider Edius.

I love Edius and give it a 10 for editing and speed but the DVD authoring side of it is child like. People may respond to these comments by saying "Just use another authoring program" but the fact is time is money and I am a one man show here being cameraman/editor/account person etc etc.

I SIMPLY DO NOT WANT TO HAVE TO USE ANOTHER PROGRAM TO DO AUTHORING!

Grass Valley please improve Burn to Disc to industry standard.

shueardm 12-19-2011 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hutch TV (Post 168545)
Well I took delivery of procoder 3 thinking it was going to be a winner for great looking DVD's and I can't believe it THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN IMAGE quality.

Hmm. This is still true after all these years it is still a great encoder for DVD's. It is not worse than EDIUS exporter or better with 1 pass VBR, it's definitely slower.
Like I mentioned specifically to you, the only reason to buy it is 2 pass VBR and this only helps when cramming a DVD with video for bit budgeting.
2 PASS VBR is clearly better where you have fade to/from blacks for instance start and end of programs when using a bit rate that is not up around the high end of town (7+Mb/s)


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