Thumb drive delivery

[Liverpool TV]

All observations and remarks of Liverpool TV are pertinent...

Thanks for this long post

You're most certainly welcome Yvon.

Cheers,
Dave.

[Haddock]

All observations and remarks of Liverpool TV are pertinent...

Thanks for this long post

[Haddock]

However, if some TV will not accept NTFS, then Fat32 may still be the best option

I think that it's beter to stay on FAT32... it goes everywhere and I never know the specifications of the materiel used by my client...

And new key's are genuine done in that format

[Haddock]

that is bad speed, I get 24 write and 105 read using HP 16GB sticks

Yess its slow. Is a Kingston 16 GB (13 €). To read video of VHS genuine quality (or Hi8) the MP4 export od Edius is set on 7 MB.

I export first on HD then start a copy on the Key while Edius is exporting the second one... and so on.

Looking here : http://usb3speed.nirsoft.net/ and here https://www.kingston.com/fr/usb/pers...siness/dtse9g2 : it seems that the Kingston can read at max 100 MB while writting at max 15 MB.

Difficult to compare without taking price in account

[Haddock]

Are you sure that you've written down that speed correctly?

That is amazingly slow.

Remember that bytes and bits are two different things and that your storage device is probably measuring in 8bit bytes, or an 8bit word length.

I have USB flash drives that read and transfer anywhere between 80 to about 400 MB/s, that's megabytes.

Also. When something is written as MB or KB the large B usually means the measurement is in Bytes and anything written Mb or Kb with a small b would usually mean bits.

Cheers,
Dave.

Yesss , right you are. I suppose it's 10 Mbits. Compare to transfert rates going to my Synology NAS (via intranet) wich is around 9 times more speed (90 MB/s). It's seems that the price and quality of the USB3 key may influence the speed of recording.
(http://usb3speed.nirsoft.net/)

[Liverpool TV]

Most Macs will read NTFS drives but won't write to them without extra software.

In my experience Windows has never had compatibility with Mac Journald (native) formats without extra software (or at least the main ones)

For Windows and Mac cross platform drives (data drives not OS) exFat is the one to use. This would also help with Linux, Android, Chrome and most other Linux variants.

NTFS is the rarest compatibility within TV media devices and many other domestic video playback devices. Although, from what David has said this has changed with recent/modern UHD TVs. This is due to licensing (MS I think). Just bare in mind though, many people use video boxes to access content even though their TVs may have USB sockets capable of direct media access and there are way more older TVs out there than new ones.

The two most common formats for video playback type devices are Fat32 and exFat, with exFat having the obvious advantages. Other Fat formats may work but are not really recommended due to other limitations.

As for USB 2 or 3. The best option is to encode to a bitrate that will work from a USB 2 interface and USB 2 flash drive, regardless of if it's stored on a USB 3 drive or USB 2 drive. The reason is that the huge majority of USB interfaces on domestic video type devices, including many older TVs, will only be USB 2.

Also make sure that your USB sticks don't have any partitions or a security partition/rom, many domestic video type devices won't get past the first partition unless it's a USB drive or a SSD based USB stick, although this can still be problematic on many devices that don't use a typical computer OS.

Also make sure that your USB storage devices, regardless of being sticks (flash drives) or hard drives, are using MBR. It's possible to have either MBR or GPT on USB devices but many devices other than typical computer OSs may have issues with GPT.

Because of all these issues and especially if you'd like to deliver just one file, using X264 is a must, with HandBrake being the easiest X264 encoder and it's also free.

Using chapter markers in an MP4 file may be an option for delivering a single file, although this can still be problematic with certain playback devices, as some may see the video file but not the chapters.

Regardless of everything mentioned in this thread, there will still be the odd issue with client playback using MP4 delivered on USB.

[DigitalDave]

I just tested an NTFS formatted stick on my neighbors Macbook and it worked

However, if some TV will not accept NTFS, then Fat32 may still be the best option

Don't be so surprised. It's been that way for 10 years. Macs could read but not write NTFS.

In the "Old Days", if Mac customers wanting film or video transferred to a Hard Drive,I would copy to an NTFS drive for them to copy to their own Mac Formatted Drive. Of course MacDrive and more recently exFat changed all that.
With regard to TVs not reading NTFS, sure it may have been the case with the first generation sets but not today. As I have previously stated, I ONLY use NTFS, without any issues, 100% cross platform and across all TVs I have encountered. The thought of being at the mercy of Fat32 is totally unacceptable. I would add (again) that exFat is still not the norm on SOME so called new TVs, probably with older technology inside.

[antonsvideo]

Yes drives formatted on a Mac are a different ballgame and I too have used macdrive for many years...BUT all but the early generation Macs will READ PC formatted NTFS.

I just tested an NTFS formatted stick on my neighbors Macbook and it worked

However, if some TV will not accept NTFS, then Fat32 may still be the best option

[DigitalDave]

so why do I need to install Macdrive on WinPC in order to view Mac formatted NTFS? are they using very old Macs?

Yes drives formatted on a Mac are a different ballgame and I too have used macdrive for many years...BUT all but the early generation Macs will READ PC formatted NTFS.

[antonsvideo]

As can NTFS. You would have to go back 10+ years to find a Mac that cannot READ NTFS.

so why do I need to install Macdrive on WinPC in order to view Mac formatted NTFS? are they using very old Macs?

[DigitalDave]

yes, and FAT32 can be read by MAC as well

As can NTFS. You would have to go back 10+ years to find a Mac that cannot READ NTFS.

[antonsvideo]

Here is the speed to copy from my HDD to the USB3 key (Kingstone) : 10.100 kbites/sec.

What do you think about ?

that is bad speed, I get 24 write and 105 read using HP 16GB sticks

[antonsvideo]

In fact, in my house I have 2 SmartTV's. Both accept the USB3.... so, again right you are. It's just that a client has problem to read the USB3 on his living room TV. After a test on his sleeproom TV, it was working.... may be a bad conclusion from my side.

In fact also, I do as you, using USB3... and don't have any other complain.

It seems that NTFS is not easy to read on every TV. So I prefer to stay on FAT32 with the respect of 4 GB limitation per file.

yes, and FAT32 can be read by MAC as well

[Liverpool TV]

Here is the speed to copy from my HDD to the USB3 key (Kingstone) : 10.100 kbites/sec.

What do you think about ?

Are you sure that you've written down that speed correctly?

That is amazingly slow.

Remember that bytes and bits are two different things and that your storage device is probably measuring in 8bit bytes, or an 8bit word length.

I have USB flash drives that read and transfer anywhere between 80 to about 400 MB/s, that's megabytes.

Also. When something is written as MB or KB the large B usually means the measurement is in Bytes and anything written Mb or Kb with a small b would usually mean bits.

Cheers,
Dave.

[Haddock]

Here is the speed to copy from my HDD to the USB3 key (Kingstone) : 10.100 kbites/sec.

What do you think about ?