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  • TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC for EDIUS 9 Workgroup

    Currently, there is the TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC for EDIUS Pro 8, which users said that it works on Workgroup as well.

    I'm considering purchasing it for my new i9 build (since i9 doesn't have quick-sync) but wanted to ask if anyone knows if it will work with Edius 9 or should I wait for news about this.
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  • #2
    I doubt it will work because the makers have always released EDIUS specific versions

    example: The EDIUS7 plugin does not work in EDIUS8
    Anton Strauss
    Antons Video Productions - Sydney

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    • #3
      Ok, thanks. I also asked them about it and will wait for a response.

      What I can't understand is, if a plugin can make export as fast as Quciksync, meaning it's software (code) based, why can't Edius themselves make Edius export as fast as QS without 3rd party plugins (figure out the code). It would give another reason for clients (like myself) to spend the extra money on Edius 9 upgrade instead of third parties.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
        I doubt it will work because the makers have always released EDIUS specific versions

        example: The EDIUS7 plugin does not work in EDIUS8
        I installed the trial. WOW there are many settings. Even the GOP setting has a string of a million characters and not just a 4 character setting we use in Edius.

        I always used your setting guides for Mpeg2, DVD, etc... did you ever make a guide on the TMPGEnc H.264 plugin settings?
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        • #5
          I exported 20 seconds of video from EDIUS 8.52 Workstation. H.264, 25000000 bps Here are the results:

          EDIUS export (with Quicksync) = 7 seconds.
          TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC for EDIUS Pro 8 (NORMAL mode) = 40 seconds.
          TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC for EDIUS Pro 8 (FASTEST mode) = 20 seconds.

          The quality of even the fastest mode is suburb in VLC.

          For some reason, you can't drag the exported mp4 file that was exported via the plugin, back into Edius. This is strange!

          20 seconds vs 7 seconds... this doesn't seem that fast. What's so special about this plugin?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by zvit View Post
            I installed the trial. WOW there are many settings. Even the GOP setting has a string of a million characters and not just a 4 character setting we use in Edius.

            I always used your setting guides for Mpeg2, DVD, etc... did you ever make a guide on the TMPGEnc H.264 plugin settings?
            no, I have not because I don't have the plugin
            Anton Strauss
            Antons Video Productions - Sydney

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            • #7
              Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
              no, I have not because I don't have the plugin
              Won't you need it when you upgrade to a CPU that doesn't have quicksync anymore? I feel like I'm the only one freaking out about losing the ability to export 5 times faster than I'm used to.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by zvit View Post
                I exported 20 seconds of video from EDIUS 8.52 Workstation. H.264, 25000000 bps Here are the results:

                EDIUS export (with Quicksync) = 7 seconds.
                TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC for EDIUS Pro 8 (NORMAL mode) = 40 seconds.
                TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC for EDIUS Pro 8 (FASTEST mode) = 20 seconds.

                The quality of even the fastest mode is suburb in VLC.

                For some reason, you can't drag the exported mp4 file that was exported via the plugin, back into Edius. This is strange!

                20 seconds vs 7 seconds... this doesn't seem that fast. What's so special about this plugin?
                have you tested exporting time with EDIUS exporter without quicksync? since the latest version exports now faster
                Anton Strauss
                Antons Video Productions - Sydney

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by zvit View Post
                  Won't you need it when you upgrade to a CPU that doesn't have quicksync anymore? I feel like I'm the only one freaking out about losing the ability to export 5 times faster than I'm used to.
                  The plugin is not designed to replace QS. If you actually looked in the options, you can do QS export through the plugin.
                  TMPGE PLUGIN.png


                  The plugin is there to give options to the Edius exporter that are not available natively. If you don't need these options, don't buy it. If you don't want to use X.264 instead of H.264, don't buy it.
                  If you plan on buying it, wait until the Edius 9 version is released.

                  Yes, I actually own the plugin and have since Edius 7. I also have the MPEG plugin as well. I didn't buy the plugin on the premise that it was going to be faster than quicksync. I bought it because of the output quality it produces in lower bitrates.

                  There are several beneficial features that are available with the plugin.
                  1. You can set the file for streaming(you can't do that within Edius)
                  2. You can export a sequence marker list at the time of export
                  3. Multiple audio options on export
                  4. If you intend on using a 5.1 audio mix in an .mp4 file, TMPGE is the only way you will be able to have the files exported in the correct channel order. This is a bug in Edius.
                  5. Oh yeah, dual pass export.

                  There are quite a few more. Go to the website and read what it can do.


                  I know you can get faster than real time when exporting 4K files using a 10 core and the plugin.

                  The plugin is due some updates and I expect that with the Edius 9 version. Hopefully, some of the options in MW6 will make their way to the plugin.
                  Jerry
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by zvit View Post
                    Ok, thanks. I also asked them about it and will wait for a response.

                    What I can't understand is, if a plugin can make export as fast as Quciksync, meaning it's software (code) based, why can't Edius themselves make Edius export as fast as QS without 3rd party plugins (figure out the code). It would give another reason for clients (like myself) to spend the extra money on Edius 9 upgrade instead of third parties.
                    I sent them an e-mail last week and their response alluded to no plans for a plugin at this time... I do not know what this means but I told them how important the plugins were to many here on the forum. Let's hope there is a way forward.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by More4K
                      Is this on i7 3770k 3.5GHz? Not sure why your signature says 8cores. It's 4 cores, 8 threads processor, which is very different than 8 cores CPU.
                      Was a mistake fixed it. Thanks.

                      Originally posted by More4K
                      If you "scale" this to 12 cores i9 then it should match QS.
                      Yes, it might match QS on a 4 core but that's not the point.
                      I'm not buying a $1,100 CPU to match my current 3770k speed.
                      If QS is giving me exports 4x faster than the base speed of my current 3770k, I would like to also get exports 4x faster than the base export speed of the i9 7920X (with plugin).

                      So if the 3770K base speed exports 1hr of video in 4 hours without QS...
                      and exports 4x faster with QS (1 hr)...
                      And the i9 7920X base speed say would export the 1hr clip in 1hr (matching my current QS), I'd of course want a way to speed that up 4x.

                      Originally posted by More4K
                      Also- if you want to test it properly 20sec is bit to short.
                      I'm also not sure if you used very fast preset. This should be inside detailed settings for x264.
                      Didn't check detailed settings. If there is a faster setting with same quality that can match the QS speed, this would be exactly what I'm looking for.

                      Now I only have to figure out why I can't re-import to Edius the clip that was exported via the plugin.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jerry View Post
                        The plugin is not designed to replace QS. I didn't buy the plugin on the premise that it was going to be faster than quicksync.
                        I don't want it to replace QS and don't need it to be faster than QS. I want it to export as fast as QS, or at least allow a CPU with no QS at all - like the i9 7920X, to export faster like it would have IF it DID have QS.

                        What do you mean it has QS? The X.264 means QS? Don't understand the connection.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by More4K
                          Also- if you want to test it properly 20sec is bit to short.
                          New test (2K), 5 min clip. Raw video, no transitions, filters or anything applied.

                          Export results:

                          Edius H.264, QS on:
                          01:45 min.

                          Edius H.264, QS off:
                          11:02 min.

                          TmpGenc plugin Format: H.264, Encoder: X264
                          performance = normal (didn't see any detailed setting other than this)):
                          14:52 min!

                          TmpGenc plugin Format: H.264, Encoder: X264
                          performance = fastest:
                          04:22 min.

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                          The question is, what does the "performance" mean in the setting of the plugin? Does it mean quality? Also, why can't you re-import the clips back into Edius?

                          If anyone here has an i9 (any version), please tell us your export times.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by More4K
                            It's not that easy to export way faster than QS using CPU. QS was made for this task- it's dedicated chip which does just decoding/encoding.
                            Originally posted by More4K
                            4:22min on your machine means probably 3-4x less on i9 12 cores, so it should be faster than QS.
                            Yes, i know it's a separate chip on the die of the CPU.

                            If I understand you correctly, you're saying that the QS chip has it's own base speed - no matter what CPU it's on? So one day (maybe even now with the i9 7980xe) the CPU speed itself will out race the speed of the QS chip? Meaning, that if this would be the case, and the i9 7980xe cores WOULD export faster than the QS chip, it would be the reason it's not needed anymore? This I can understand.


                            Originally posted by More4K
                            Go inside x264 settings and find preset. Use veryfast or ultrafast. Hmmm...this may not exist.
                            No, it doesn't exists. (attached screenshot)
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                            • #15
                              Render speed is in the 'Performance' drop down box in the bottom of your screenshot, also I notice you have AC3 audio selected instead of the usual AAC for MP4. I wonder if this why Edius won't accept it?
                              Claire

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