TMPGEnc Movie Plug-in AVC for EDIUS Pro 7

[Claire]

Yes, I used a BD template and others as well.

I am wondering if the problem is a mix of two problems, not too confident Disc Burner is working properly and/or the files from the plug-in are not quite correct.

By accident I found that if I make a 24p file with the preset and if I also change the menu frame rate in Disc Burner from auto to 24p 1920x1080 I can successfully write a 24p disc but not if I leave it on auto (this is on Disc Burner's "Style" tab).

The odd thing here is that I can't see any other frame rate for the menu in this drop down box than 24p... even when I'm using Disc burner in a 50i project. Am I alone in this, should there not be 25fps and 29.97 showing as well as 24P?

It gets more weird, I can build a working folder of a 50i disc image with Disc Burner IF and only IF I change the menu frame rate from auto to 24p... crazy.

[Claire]

Cannot get files made with the plug-in to pass through Disc Burner without it halting.

"An error occurred while creating the disc image file".

Heck, I'm not even trying to write to disc yet, just want to make the image file in the folders.

I am getting fed up with this plug-in, about to give up on it.

[Andreas_Gumm]

I think that More4k means it is already in the source!
The waveform has tendencies to show a grid already in the source resolution.
Even in your source.

Andreas

[antonsvideo]

This grid is on your source also- you can see it. Its just 'smaller' because resolution is high.
You loose it in PAL because you downscale by large amount.
Do you see anything in the actual picture?
Is it the same for every source?

that is what I already said, I can see it in the actual picture, so I avoid 1280x720 in EDIUS

It has been reported many moons ago

[Hawke]

Don't use the one in the tools menu, see page 439 of the manual for "Burn to Disc". To add the file from the plug-in click the movie tab and press the 'Add File' button to browse to it. Use the delete button to remove any already existing timeline or sequence. Edius doesn't like my early Pioneer drive so have to burn folders and use ImgBurn to write a BD.

Have NOT yet been able to make a workable disc with a file from the plugin, still trying.

Thanks for that Claire, I have never used the "Add File" function so was completely oblivious to it.
Blu-ray burnt, even with menu and plays perfectly. Time to create .m2ts file 35 minutes without Spurs engine, 10 minutes using Firecoder Blu. 2 minutes to write disc. Test sequence length 15 minutes. Long live FCB!

[antonsvideo]

Since EDIUS has Lanzcos downscale you could feed the encoder a scaled stream. :)

most my downscales for the web go from 1920x1080 to 1280x720 and EDIUS can't do that without creating major disturbance which is visible on the external monitor and on the waveform, it is some sort of a grid that looks like bars in jail

it does not happen when switching EDIUS from 1920x1080 to SD such as 720x576

[Claire]

Claire, Yes; I tried your workaround and it worked but one shouldn't have to do that.

I am having trouble producing a Blu-ray disc from the m2ts file produced, it has been stated here that Edius disc burner will do that but it does not, requesting an image file. I am doing something wrong obviously or need an extra stage in the process, any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

Don't use the one in the tools menu, see page 439 of the manual for "Burn to Disc". To add the file from the plug-in click the movie tab and press the 'Add File' button to browse to it. Use the delete button to remove any already existing timeline or sequence. Edius doesn't like my early Pioneer drive so have to burn folders and use ImgBurn to write a BD.

Have NOT yet been able to make a workable disc with a file from the plugin, still trying.

[Bassman]

Sorry for being so effusive!
I have deleted my so called "workaround" from my previous post.
The way I have described did NOT work as expected!
Even if I flag a sequence to progressiv inside of an interlaced project,
the effects will be still applied interlaced.

My fault was to not set the preview to 'both fields'!

Damned...

Andreas

Alles sehr Gut! No worries. I am hoping that we will get this someday.

[Hawke]

Here is an Edius still image capture, shows 100/x/75/c Color Bars on the lower track and AVCHD version from the plug-in on a higher track. I cropped the plug-in's version of it with layouter to reveal the original bars on the lower track.

No one else getting this problem? It reinforces what I saw with my first attempt at using this plug-in with a scenic clip. Green grass was a lighter green, bright red was a dark red, etc.

Claire, Yes; I tried your workaround and it worked but one shouldn't have to do that.

I am having trouble producing a Blu-ray disc from the m2ts file produced, it has been stated here that Edius disc burner will do that but it does not, requesting an image file. I am doing something wrong obviously or need an extra stage in the process, any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

[Andreas_Gumm]

Sorry for being so effusive!
I have deleted my so called "workaround" from my previous post.
The way I have described did NOT work as expected!
Even if I flag a sequence to progressiv inside of an interlaced project,
the effects will be still applied interlaced.

My fault was to not set the preview to 'both fields'!

Damned...

Andreas

[Andreas_Gumm]

You can not change a progressive project to an interlaced project setting for DVD output. One can only change an interlaced project to interlaced SD (DVD) for encoding. If we could there would be less need for external encoding solutions.

I see your point, it is annoying that our NLE can't export progressive projects to DVD.
But you can indeed change the project type to interlaced if you stay at the same frame rate.

I still miss the capability to export discs from progessive (25p, 29.97p) projects.
Wihle Edius can interlace on file export, Edius can't do the same job on disc export.

Andreas

[Bassman]

There is no limitation to interlaced formats as long as you change projects resolution to target size
& if you set the global resize settings in project settings to 'Lanczos 3 sharpen (best for progressive
footage)' (translated from german localized version).
Quality is comparable to VirtualDub.

Andreas

You can not change a progressive project to an interlaced project setting for DVD output. One can only change an interlaced project to interlaced SD (DVD) for encoding. If we could there would be less need for external encoding solutions.

[Andreas_Gumm]

Sort of. Only if you choose to shoot in interlaced mode. If you shoot in progressive you need outside help to downscale.

I guess this is some technical impossibility within Edius?

There is no limitation to interlaced formats as long as you change projects resolution to target size
& if you set the global resize settings in project settings to 'Lanczos 3 sharpen (best for progressive
footage)' (translated from german localized version).
Quality is comparable to VirtualDub.

Andreas

[Claire]

Claire, I did an A B comparison while looking at the waveform and I do see an IRE and a black level shift.

Here is an Edius still image capture, shows 100/x/75/c Color Bars on the lower track and AVCHD version from the plug-in on a higher track. I cropped the plug-in's version of it with layouter to reveal the original bars on the lower track.

No one else getting this problem? It reinforces what I saw with my first attempt at using this plug-in with a scenic clip. Green grass was a lighter green, bright red was a dark red, etc.

[Bassman]

Since EDIUS has Lanzcos downscale you could feed the encoder a scaled stream. :)

Sort of. Only if you choose to shoot in interlaced mode. If you shoot in progressive you need outside help to downscale.

I guess this is some technical impossibility within Edius?