Normal for some Video Essentials Effects to kill buffer?

[OneQuickSix]

I was just perusing and trying some of the various filters in Edius 6, and noticed that some filters (like Detail Enhancer for example), won't allow for real-time playback.

I was wondering if this was normal? The processor doesn't really seem to be touched, and it is not a hard-drive bottle-neck either. By setting the "Preview Detail" (which appears to be universal for those effects) to 50%, it helps tremendously. I think one might have even required it be set to 25%.

Anyway, I just didn't want a case where Edius was using the HD3000 chip instead of my discrete card (GTX 660ti) for some reason. I'm just not used to things not running real-time in Edius.

Thanks,
Tim

[Rusty]

As a general rule, never expect RT performance with non-Edius plug-ins.

[OneQuickSix]

Most Edius and non-Edius plugins play in RT for me, even with other effects ... that's why I was kind of surprised.

[Bluetongue]

Tim
There are some of the Newblue that are not real time, cannot remember which ones, "Noise reducer" is one but it does not work and does not actually use the GPU? but "Detail Enhancer" works RT here, make sure in the "I" window "Disable GPU" is not selected

The buffer on mine stays full! but I don't have an intel graphics chip, Preview Resolution 100%
Mine uses the graphics card and the "Overclock" speed jumps up immediately

Regards Barry

[Jerry]

Go back to the 100% and start and the beginning of the clip. Do a shift + space bar and see if it plays most of the way through. As you reduce the detail setting you are basically taking the effect to draft mode for preview.
It will play a little longer....not much. Your settings may suffer do to the lack of preview quality.

[Jerry]

Tim
There are some of the Newblue that are not real time, cannot remember which ones, "Noise reducer" is one but it does not work and does not actually use the GPU? but "Detail Enhancer" works RT here, make sure in the "I" window "Disable GPU" is not selected

The buffer on mine stays full! but I don't have an intel graphics chip, Preview Resolution 100%
Mine uses the graphics card and the "Overclock" speed jumps up immediately

Regards Barry

I am wondering if New blue works better with an ATI card. My buffer does a steady drop after a buffer prefill on all of the New Blue effects. the Detail Enhancer will play for me for 8 seconds on a steady buffer drop. You say yours stays full buffer the whole time?

[OneQuickSix]

... As you reduce the detail setting you are basically taking the effect to draft mode for preview.
It will play a little longer....not much. Your settings may suffer do to the lack of preview quality.

Yes, of course pre-buffer playback works. I assume that the detail setting only effects playback, but when you render out to a file it will be at 100% quality. What do you mean by your statement "Your settings may suffer do to the lack of preview quality." ? Not following you there.

[OneQuickSix]

Tim
There are some of the Newblue that are not real time, cannot remember which ones, "Noise reducer" is one but it does not work and does not actually use the GPU? but "Detail Enhancer" works RT here, make sure in the "I" window "Disable GPU" is not selected

The buffer on mine stays full! but I don't have an intel graphics chip, Preview Resolution 100%
Mine uses the graphics card and the "Overclock" speed jumps up immediately

Regards Barry

Hmmm, I don't have a "Noise Reducer", nor is there a "Disable GPU" option under the "I" window. I'm pretty sure you must have a different version of the filters than I do. Maybe you have the full BlueFx version ... I'm using what came with Edius, and is called "Edius Essentials."

-Tim

[OneQuickSix]

I am wondering if New blue works better with an ATI card. My buffer does a steady drop after a buffer prefill on all of the New Blue effects. the Detail Enhancer will play for me for 8 seconds on a steady buffer drop. You say yours stays full buffer the whole time?

"Detail Enhancer" will run for about 15 seconds before the buffer runs out if I do a pre-fill. As I stated in the other post, I'm thinking Barry has the full version, and perhaps it enabled GPU acceleration and the one that comes with Edius does not. That would stink, but it is plausible.

[Bluetongue]

You say yours stays full buffer the whole time?

Tim
I just tried it on a 14 sec clip, Detail enhancer settings Definition 8 Strength 45.5 played all the way through, Did a prefill at start buffer went from 128 to 125 in the middle and then up to 128 again

Second trial same clip Settings Definition 58 Strength 45.5 Buffer 128 start 90 in middle then back to 128
GPU clock went from 450mhz to 800mhz for the period

Hope that helps
Barry

[OneQuickSix]

Again, Barry, I think you must have the full version from BlueFx. Is that correct? My GPU actually went down from ~1000 to 345 while Edius was playing the timeline with the effect on it. Definitely not utilizing the GPU.

Here is are some screenshots of the interface I get ...

-Tim

PS> What do you have your Preview Resolution set to?

[Bluetongue]

Tim
You could be right as mine are different, see attached

Regards Barry

[Bluetongue]

Tim
Just had a real close look at your filters the series 1 were non GPU so they will really slow you down

Barry

[OneQuickSix]

Yep, that's what I thought. So you did purchase your filters, correct? Or am I missing an update somehow? :)

[Jerry]

I have the full version and it tanks fast in Edius. I get realtime with them in
Premiere. CS6. I get a minimal playback boost with the GPU activated within Edius.