vistitle 2.1 understanding of formats

[rodpike]

Hi all,
Right, confessions first- I have just purchased 1vistitle 1.5 and updated to 2.1, and I have never used vistitle before, nor have read the 408 page manual yet.

I am sure it is a fabulous programme but I have 2 early learning questions:

1. have been playing with the animated movie bit of the templates and cannot understand that all the animations are listed as progressive and are completely garbaged on replay unless I individually change them to upper field first. Then they will replay quite reasonably, but only in an i project setting. That is , they will not entertain being played in any P setting.

2. If I pull any animation onto the "title " track , the animation is at least half the size of image when pulled onto a video track.

I have tried starting Vistitle as a freesatnding item and setting the format to 1920/1080/p and various other formats but this "movie" template is only happy with "I " settings.

Happy to look stupid ( a way of life it seems these days!) if someone can enlighten me.
cheers!
Rod

I am sure the answer is in the manual somewhere but I cannot find it at the moment and would welcome some feedback.

[Andreas_Gumm]

1) I didn't test this before. Can't test before monday, maybe thuesday.

2) I recommend you never use the T-track for titles if you import titles doesn't match project dimension.
Since the layouter can be applied just to video tracks, better place your titles in a video track.
A title will be displayed in T-track in its native resolution.

I have killed the T-track from my workflow & from all of my project templates due to its limitations.
The T-track is a relict related to past times & versions.

Andreas

[rodpike]

Thankyou Andreas. Here is an update: Discount my earlier post as it was factually incorrect>This is what is actually happening:
The movies in the template open up as a progressive file if pulled into a progressive project- but they are completely trashed and un-usable when played. However if the properties of the movie are switched back to upper field, they play fine.

So I think I have learnt that they are native upper field first and when pulling them in to a progressive project, they must be switched back to UFF in their properties.

If that is the case I wonder whether there is a way to keep them from changing to progressive? Ho hum, so much to learn. It certainly is a versatile programme , I can,t wait to get my head around some of it!

[antonsvideo]

can you provide the ID of such an animation so I can try

[rodpike]

Hi Anton,
yes, In Edius 6.08
tools/Edius template library/movie/then any of movie1/2/3 group.

They seem to change to progressive when being pulled in to any progressive timeline. Altering the individual animation properties once pulled in, to UFF makes them work as they should.

[antonsvideo]

I am using 6.52 and all animations come in as progressive if I use a progressive project and they play as smooth as to be expected in a jitter vision project setting, changing to upper field makes no difference

they play totally smooth in a 50i project and come in as upper field first

next time I fire up 6.08, I will test and compare

[rodpike]

Hi again Anton,
Ah- that doesn't sound like good news for me. If I can get confirmation from you or other 6.08/ vistitle 2. users that this problem does not occur, I may have a corrupt v2 download. (but I do hope not!)
thanks for your input.

[VX Chen]

Thankyou Andreas. Here is an update: Discount my earlier post as it was factually incorrect>This is what is actually happening:
The movies in the template open up as a progressive file if pulled into a progressive project- but they are completely trashed and un-usable when played. However if the properties of the movie are switched back to upper field, they play fine.

So I think I have learnt that they are native upper field first and when pulling them in to a progressive project, they must be switched back to UFF in their properties.

If that is the case I wonder whether there is a way to keep them from changing to progressive? Ho hum, so much to learn. It certainly is a versatile programme , I can,t wait to get my head around some of it!

Sorry, the movie in the preset/movie class are all field base, so they are not correct in a progressive project.

These movie are from image sequence, were compressed by MvMaker, the image source are field base, then movie is.

All the layout templates are vector based, they are format independent, and will be correct in any video format.

[rodpike]

Hi VX Chen,
Thanks for the timely reply but I have not got my head around this yet.
Anton says that the movies are pulled in correctly whatever the project setting are, and regardless of selecting UFF or progressive, but he is testing with Edius 6.5X and I am using Edius 6.08. (these are the results I would have expected.)

You appear to be saying that they are indeed UFF and will not be correct in progressive. (but Antons results contradict this.)

Any further enlightenment for me please? I currently shoot in progressive and having to change the animations to UFF to get them to work is not a big problem, I just wanted to make sure I had not got a corrupted download, as my results are very different to Antons'.
thankyou for your response.
Rod

[VX Chen]

Hi VX Chen,
Thanks for the timely reply but I have not got my head around this yet.
Anton says that the movies are pulled in correctly whatever the project setting are, and regardless of selecting UFF or progressive, but he is testing with Edius 6.5X and I am using Edius 6.08. (these are the results I would have expected.)

You appear to be saying that they are indeed UFF and will not be correct in progressive. (but Antons results contradict this.)

Any further enlightenment for me please? I currently shoot in progressive and having to change the animations to UFF to get them to work is not a big problem, I just wanted to make sure I had not got a corrupted download, as my results are very different to Antons'.
thankyou for your response.
Rod

I think Anton' meanings is the layout template, they are all vector based templates, when they are put to timeline, we will convert them to suitable with your project format.

But, the movie presets in Movie class, they are image sequence based, and they are all field based.

Do you want to use those movies in your project?
Which one? We can send progressive movie to you.

[rodpike]

Hello again VX Chen,
Thankyou for your reply. I was more concerned that I had a corrupted download. As a brand new and totally ignorant user of Vistitle I have much to learn here, and am getting the manuals printed off for training reference..

And thankyou for the offer of the movies as progessive. I can see a use for most of them at some point but don't need any at the moment as I am only just starting with this package, so I wouldn't want to put you to any trouble.

They look pretty good when changed back to UFF even in a progessive video, providing they are kept quite small.(however, left in progressive mode they are pixellaled and flashing coloured overlays, which I assume is caused by playing them in the wrong format,although I have never seen anything as severe before)

I can't be the only user who would like them in UFF and progressive though, perhaps they could be added in both formats to the next update? By the way, I see you have just launched V2.3 update. It doesn't state that it is compatible with Windows 7 but I assume it is?

Thankyou for your amazing support here, both to me and everyone else.
Cheers!
Rod

[GrassValley_PS]

Yes it is compatible with Win 7

[rodpike]

thanks GV-PS- update installed!

having only purchased this a couple of days ago, I have gone through updates V2,V2.1 and V3 without ever using the product yet!
Cheers!
Rod

[GrassValley_PS]

Jump IN! It has a bit of a learning curve but this is the best Titler I have used in the last 10 years easy. It is amazing what it can do and you can see how responsive they are for suggestions. I wish I could spend about a week with VX and really learn from the master. Every time I get a little time to sit down and play with it, I find out something else it can do. Love these guys!

[rodpike]

With you there GV-PS. Incredible response from VX Chen. The long serving contributors who support this forum are what makes it the best out there.

And I just have to say that it staggers me sometimes the length that other members will go to in trialling someone elses problem to find a solution. (even when it is sometimes a simple answer!)

To totally misquote Julias Ceasar, " Those who are about to help, we salute you!
Cheers!
Rod