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  • Edius 6.5 vs T5 - Blu-ray & DVD

    Hello,

    I have not upgraded to Edius 6.5 yet but I wanted to ask if there was any improvement with the HD to SD to DVD export from Edius compared to T5?

    I had hoped that with the improved downsampling methods in Edius 6.5 that we might get a better DVD from the timeline. Right now I make an HD Canopus Lossless file from the Edius timeline and put that into T5.

    Would be great to be able to make disc folders straight from the timeline! (and have quality like T5)

    Thanks for 6.5 users input.
    Asus Prime X299-A - Intel i9 7900x all cores @4.3GHz 2 cores @4.5GHz - 32GB RAM - NVidia GTX1070 - Edius 9 WG - BM Intensity 4k - Boris RED - Vitascene 2 - Windows 10

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    Just 1 test result I found, also it was from a 50p timeline, still, looks like the result is in ;(

    http://forum.grassvalley.com/forum/s...00&postcount=7
    Tony D.

    EDIUS WG 9.54 / MATROX MXO2 LE / WIN10 Pro WS / LENOVO P71 Workstation laptop / XEON E3-1535M v6 / nVidia QUADRO P3000 6GB / Toshiba M.2 NVMe 512GB / 2x Samsung 860 EVO 4TB / 32GB ECC RAM.
    EDIUS WG 8.53 / HDRX-E1 + HDBX-1000H / WIN10 Pro / DUAL XEON X5470 / SUPERMICRO X7DWA-N / SUPERMICRO SUPERCHASIS SC745TQ-920B / INTEL 520 SSD 240GB / WD CAVIAR BLACK 4TB (many) / 32GB ECC RAM / GTX 770 4GB / 2x MOTU 896HD.
    wavearts / neatvideo / tmpgenc / hitfilm / imaginate / affinity

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    • #3
      the new downsampling in EDIUS does not kick in if you export to DVD from HD timeline

      it only kicks in if you switch project to SD and then set SD project to lanzos3, then export to DVD

      if your source is 50p or 60p, you will get better results with T5 since it is a master of interlace handling which is needed for DVD
      Anton Strauss
      Antons Video Productions - Sydney

      EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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      • #4
        Thanks for your input everybody. In the past, it seemed one could not change a progressive timeline to a 60i SD timeline. The option was greyed out or was not given.

        Has this changed? I would like to be able to take 720p60 material and switch the timeline to SD 60i. Encode the Blu-ray from the HD timeline, switch the timeline to SD then encode the DVD. If this is the case then it sounds like a big improvement.

        Thanks for your help.
        Asus Prime X299-A - Intel i9 7900x all cores @4.3GHz 2 cores @4.5GHz - 32GB RAM - NVidia GTX1070 - Edius 9 WG - BM Intensity 4k - Boris RED - Vitascene 2 - Windows 10

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        • #5
          I thought it sounded too good to be true. That is a shame as the timeline switch approach would be a huge timesaver. Or even better if the quality was great just by using export presets.

          When I read Edius was using the better downsampling my first thought was making DVDs from HD material. Is this not the purpose of adding the Lanczos method? Frustating to still have to deal with this HD to SD mess...
          Asus Prime X299-A - Intel i9 7900x all cores @4.3GHz 2 cores @4.5GHz - 32GB RAM - NVidia GTX1070 - Edius 9 WG - BM Intensity 4k - Boris RED - Vitascene 2 - Windows 10

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          • #6
            Originally posted by caminostereo
            Sorry, but I think the opposite... I just do many tests you have EDIUS Pro 6.5 downconvert, under different types of material, and I must say with certainty that if he does better than T5.
            .
            I think you need new glasses! I tried as many different ways to downconvert and to all my viewers (my ten year old daughter and friends) they all said the T5 video was MUCH better.

            Maybe I missed something in the set-up of the downconvert but I double checked everything and I don't think I did.
            Edius 8 Workgroup, Intel 3770K, Asus P8Z77-V Motherboard, 32GB DDR3 1600 ram, SSD for C, external Raid box with WE RE4 1TB drives Raid 0 for video assets. Overclocked 4.3ghz, Asus GTX 660 ti, water cooled system. Windows 10 Professional 64bit

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            • #7
              Remeber that when going From HD to SD the new scaling method only kicks in when :
              1 Switching the HD project to SD
              2 Export the HD file and importing it in a SD project. (prefered by many)

              When Scaling HD in an HD project (zoom and such) new scaling method will kick in
              Steve

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              • #8
                Interesting discussion. I downloades the files, and your file with name "Edius Pro 6.5" in the title, Mediainfo actually shows "Writing library: TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works 5 Version. 5.0.6.38". So it looks you have mixed up something.
                Edius Workgroup 8.53

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                • #9
                  I also downloaded the file and looked at the videos. The 6.5 titled video definately looks better to me.

                  Now did they get mixed up!!!!!! Or named incorrectly!!!!!
                  Edius 8 Workgroup, Intel 3770K, Asus P8Z77-V Motherboard, 32GB DDR3 1600 ram, SSD for C, external Raid box with WE RE4 1TB drives Raid 0 for video assets. Overclocked 4.3ghz, Asus GTX 660 ti, water cooled system. Windows 10 Professional 64bit

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                    the new downsampling in EDIUS does not kick in if you export to DVD from HD timeline

                    it only kicks in if you switch project to SD and then set SD project to lanzos3, then export to DVD

                    if your source is 50p or 60p, you will get better results with T5 since it is a master of interlace handling which is needed for DVD
                    Anton do you know if Edius 6.5 is capable of serving up an Adobe Encore friendly file (closed GOP) so no re encoding is necessary? I was going to hold up on upgrading Edius to 6.5 and get TMPGenc Mastering suite. If Edius 6.5 is capable of producing encore friendly files I may reconsider. Thanks for your input.
                    Asus P5Q-LE, Intel Core2 Quad Q9400, 8Gb DDR2 1066, Windows 7 64-bit, Nvidia Geforce Fermi 465, 2x Acer 22 inch (X223w), 22 inch Vizio LEDTV HDSpark Running Edius 6.03

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GrassValley_SL View Post
                      Remeber that when going From HD to SD the new scaling method only kicks in when :
                      1 Switching the HD project to SD
                      2 Export the HD file and importing it in a SD project. (prefered by many)

                      When Scaling HD in an HD project (zoom and such) new scaling method will kick in
                      Thanks for the clarification. This leads me to a few questions:

                      1) Why can't a 60p project be switched to an SD 60i project?

                      2) Are there plans to implement the better downsampling upon export?

                      3) Is it possible in the future to have per-timeline settings?

                      A lot of us shoot in HD but still have to deliver SD versions of our edits. All the editing is done in HD but the final delivery is full of hoop jumps. I (and I am sure a lot of others) want the DVD export to be an afterthought. A batch export from your timeline. High quality that is just spit out from the HD edit.

                      Is this known by the Engineers but the problem is just too difficult? Seriously, this is a huge time and enegy waster and it would be great if GV offered a solution via Edius. I thought this was going to be the case with the Lanczos addition. Another year to wait and see if this HD to SD thing is ever put to bed...

                      Sorry for the rant but I am a little tired of spending so much energy tripping around yesterday's technology.
                      Asus Prime X299-A - Intel i9 7900x all cores @4.3GHz 2 cores @4.5GHz - 32GB RAM - NVidia GTX1070 - Edius 9 WG - BM Intensity 4k - Boris RED - Vitascene 2 - Windows 10

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                      • #12
                        I don't have Encore, sorry

                        the EDIUS 6.51 ES exports are accepted by TAW5 without further re-encoding
                        Anton Strauss
                        Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                        EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                        • #13
                          Euhhh, what happened to the posts of Caminostereo, have they all disappeared?
                          Edius Workgroup 8.53

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                          • #14
                            after extensive testing, here is how I get the fastest and best HD to SD downscale using Lanczos 3 from an interlaced HD project
                            Anton Strauss
                            Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                            EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                              after extensive testing, here is how I get the fastest and best HD to SD downscale using Lanczos 3 from an interlaced HD project
                              Is this comparable with HD interlaced HQfine avi input to T5, any difference ?
                              Tony D.

                              EDIUS WG 9.54 / MATROX MXO2 LE / WIN10 Pro WS / LENOVO P71 Workstation laptop / XEON E3-1535M v6 / nVidia QUADRO P3000 6GB / Toshiba M.2 NVMe 512GB / 2x Samsung 860 EVO 4TB / 32GB ECC RAM.
                              EDIUS WG 8.53 / HDRX-E1 + HDBX-1000H / WIN10 Pro / DUAL XEON X5470 / SUPERMICRO X7DWA-N / SUPERMICRO SUPERCHASIS SC745TQ-920B / INTEL 520 SSD 240GB / WD CAVIAR BLACK 4TB (many) / 32GB ECC RAM / GTX 770 4GB / 2x MOTU 896HD.
                              wavearts / neatvideo / tmpgenc / hitfilm / imaginate / affinity

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