Edius X 13900k

[MUSTAFA STUDIO]

I built a new machine, Edius X is working perfectly, intel graphics working perfectly...Asus z790 Hero, only M.2 and raid ssd, rtx 3070ti, 128gb ram Kingston Fury Beast, 1300 watts power supply, EVGA Nu audio

[Jerry]

Very Nice!!

Like you, my 13700K build has been running for 3 months without issue. I know there were reported problems
with 11th, 12th, and 13th gen chips. While there may have been inherit issues with the early versions, I do know of users with
12900k systems that have not experienced problems either.

I fully believe it comes down to build quality and parts used.

[Bassman]

I have been running a 13900K for a little time now and it is the processor I have been waiting for all of my editing career. Everything is peppy. Exports are very fast. I can edit 1080p60 10bit P2 footage in multicam with the filters on and it chews right through it. If I render out HQX files and put them back on the timeline the experience is smoother than butter so to speak. I had 90 minutes of five tracks of HQX 1080p60 material on my timeline. In multicam I zoomed out so the full 90 minutes was showing and I can scrub the mouse as fast as I can move it and all five windows look like they are showing every frame that goes by no lag or hickup! (this is being played from an NVMe RAID) :) It is insane when I think back even ten years from where we were.

I have not even hooked up Quicksync as it is not needed. Thanks again to Jerry for the computing wisdom.

[David Clarke]

I still get problems if I enable quick sync decoding on 11th 12th and 13th gen systems but even without that performance is a lot better than older chips.

[MUSTAFA STUDIO]

I used the 9900k, but I only had one version of Intel Graphics that I could install and enable, already on the 13900k, even doing the intel graphics update, everything works perfect, Edius X 10.34.10936, it's perfect on the Asus hero z790, a detail, the same format in Adobe, makes the CPU heat up more, Edius preserves the temperature more and renders faster.

[Liverpool TV]

Just to balance this post for anyone casually browsing the forum who may not be aware of particular Edius and QuickSync issues.

As David Clarke has already mentioned, yes there still are problems.

I recently built a powerful system for a friend on Linux who’s using another NLE. This was a powerful 13th Gen, Nvidia 40 series, Z790 and DDR5 build.

During the build I tried Edius X with it. This was the by far the best performing Edius system I have ever used for particular codecs. Running HQ/X and certain other intra-frame codecs, it was absolutely awesome. However, there were still issues with QuickSync, which obviously makes the use of certain workflows with certain codecs problematic.

Jerry may believe that these QuickSync issues are down to the quality of the build but that is not the case.

GV acknowledged some time ago that there was an issue with Edius X after a certain point with Intel CPUs and their iGPUs, as far as particular QuickSync usage was concerned. As far as I’m aware, I have never seen GV acknowledge a fix to this issue. I’m not saying that GV have never acknowledged a fix, I’m just saying that I’ve never noticed any acknowledgement. However, I’m not as up to date with Edius as I once was, so may have missed such an acknowledgement.

Also, given that very experienced system integrators who definitely know how to build an Edius system and who would be using quality parts, such as David Clarke, are still experiencing certain QuickSync problems. I think it’s accurate to say that certain QuickSync issues still exist with 13th Gen Intel and Edius X.

I also experienced particular NVENC issues that I’d already mentioned and documented in the past.

So my conclusion is that a powerful current Intel/Nvidia build for Edius X will still have particular problems, which I think fair to now class as legacy issues.

However, for anyone working with HQ/X and a number of other codecs. You will definitely find any 13900K build to be absolutely amazing for Edius X. And any particular shortcomings with the decoding, rendering and processing of certain inter-frame codecs will probably be less noticeable compared to what it was, due to the software processing power of the 13900K.

[Jerry]

I have not had one single issue with the iGPU drivers with my [email protected]. Pat built a 12900K for his daughter who also has not had any issues.

I get realtime playback with H.264/H.265 as well as HQX and Prores. I use the system in 3840x2160 59.94p 10bit projects with matching clips. My editing drives are all PCI-E 4.0 M.2 NVME's. The project folder resides on a WD 850X with up to 7300MB/s read speeds. With 64GB of DDR5 ram.
I have a push pull set up on my 360mm AIO
which help keeps things cool.

There still may be issues, but I haven't seen them.

I wouldn't be discouraged from building a 13th Gen system with quality parts. Yes, quality parts, especially the motherboard and power supply. The 13th gen chips require the power and a 20+1, preferably a 24+1 power phase capability for the 13700K and 13900K chips would be prudent. A high end Platinum or Titanium PSU will handle
the continuous power needed as well as the transients.

[BernH]

I have not had one single issue with the iGPU drivers with my [email protected]. Pat built a 12900K for his daughter who also has not had any issues.

I get realtime playback with H.264/H.265 as well as HQX and Prores. I use the system in 3840x2160 59.94p 10bit projects with matching clips. My editing drives are all PCI-E 4.0 M.2 NVME's. The project folder resides on a WD 850X with up to 7300MB/s read speeds. With 64GB of DDR5 ram.
I have a push pull set up on my 360mm AIO
which help keeps things cool.

There still may be issues, but I haven't seen them.

I wouldn't be discouraged from building a 13th Gen system with quality parts. Yes, quality parts, especially the motherboard and power supply. The 13th gen chips require the power and a 20+1, preferably a 24+1 power phase capability for the 13700K and 13900K chips would be prudent. A high end Platinum or Titanium PSU will handle
the continuous power needed as well as the transients.

I hope I have your luck Jerry. I have all the parts in a pile at the office to build a 13900k based system in the next couple of weeks.

In the end, I went with:
MSI MPG Z690 Edge (slot compatability for cards was the biggest deciding factor)
13900K
G.Skill 64GB DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) CL30 (F5-6000J3040G32GX2-RS5K)
Fractal Define R5 case
Fractal Celsius S28 (larger would have meant having to remove 5.25 bays in my case and I need those for a disk burner and a DCP drive bay)
Mellanox ConnectX-4 for SAN connectivity (all video assets)
1 x 4TB nvme (local assets)
2 x 2TB nvme (dual OS for Win11 and Linux)
Corsair RM1000
MSI RTX3060

[Jerry]

My only suggestion is to read up on the undervolting process. This one process will allow you to keep your thermals in check.

Fortunately, many MSI undervolting videos are available on YouTube. The MSI process is fairly straight forward.

You can also use the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility. The auto setup usually reaches for the highest speed and doesn't always get the most balanced settings to prevent thermal throttling.

Have fun with the build.

[Bassman]

I have had good results with undervolting. This is a hot chip no doubt but if you can scrub off some power it can stay in the 70s at stock. Overclocking and undervolting would be the best and I have had some success with this, but then after some updates lost that gain. I am not an overclocking genius, but I would like to get 1 or 2 cores at 6 or 6.1 GHz. Will be a project going forward.

[BernH]

My only suggestion is to read up on the undervolting process. This one process will allow you to keep your thermals in check.

Fortunately, many MSI undervolting videos are available on YouTube. The MSI process is fairly straight forward.

You can also use the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility. The auto setup usually reaches for the highest speed and doesn't always get the most balanced settings to prevent thermal throttling.

Have fun with the build.

Hey Jerry,

I got the system put together last week and have been picking away at software installs.

As you noted, this chip does run hot, and is reaching mid to high 80's C on a burn-in test, even with the water cooler. I have looked at some recommended undervolting amounts people have posted and they range from a differential of -0.05 to -0.1.

If you don't mind me asking, have you played with different voltage differentials, and if so do you have a recommendation? I was thinking about starting in the middle of that range at -0.075 and see how it looks from there.

[Jerry]

Bern, take a look at this video. It might help you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaX8ZuE2idE

[antonsvideo]

Hey Jerry,

I got the system put together last week and have been picking away at software installs.

As you noted, this chip does run hot, and is reaching mid to high 80's C on a burn-in test, even with the water cooler. I have looked at some recommended undervolting amounts people have posted and they range from a differential of -0.05 to -0.1.

If you don't mind me asking, have you played with different voltage differentials, and if so do you have a recommendation? I was thinking about starting in the middle of that range at -0.075 and see how it looks from there.

what size is your radiator and what is the make and model? 280mm should be minimum for that CPU, ideally 360mm

in your signature it says Corsair H110i, is this correct, is so that is 280mm and should be ok

the real test is to export from EDIUS timeline to Prores 4:2:2 and see how hot it gets, possibly only mid 60s

[BernH]

what size is your radiator and what is the make and model? 280mm should be minimum for that CPU, ideally 360mm

in your signature it says Corsair H110i, is this correct, is so that is 280mm and should be ok

the real test is to export from EDIUS timeline to Prores 4:2:2 and see how hot it gets, possibly only mid 60s

Post 8 above outlines the build on this system.

The cooler is a 280mm. As is also noted, I would have preferred a 360, but I didn't have the space for a larger one because it would have meant giving up the 5.25 bays and I needed those for a burner and DCP drive caddy.

Anyway, even hitting the temps I just mentioned is well within the specs of that CPU, with 100 C being it's thermal throttle point from what I have read, but if a little undervolt can knock several degrees off and not really impact performance, it's not a bad thing.

I'm not using only Edius to test this, as the system will be doing more than edius work, so I used passmark burn-in test with a 90% load on the CPU and other components so I could also test and monitor the other components also. All is working good, but Jerry recommended looking into undervolting for that cpu so, since it's my first build with this beast of a chip, I took his advice.

[Jerry]

Bern, you said you were in the 80c range. Those temps are not bad on a benchmark test. What is the chip speed? If you are running at 5.8GHz, that is not bad at all.

On the MSI, it appears the CPU Lite Load setting can do quite a bit. https://forum-en.msi.com/faq/article.../cpu-lite-load