Recommended CPU for Edius X

[Ron Evans]

I know that Puget systems does not list EDIUS and is mainly other NLE's but has really good info that I think may be applicable. Of interest is the comparison article on AMD 5000 VS 12Gen Intel https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/ar...0-Series-2247/. There is a lot of information on this site. As an example they point out that Fusion is focused more on core speed than core count so that would also favour an overclocked Intel rather than a Threadripper which would be the preferred for heavy editing workloads. Similar insight into use of After Effects and Photoshop etc. Picking a PC that can work with all these programs is not straight forward. Or just get more than one which would certainly make sense for a business.

[noafilm]

You as well as I have posted some actual results in regard to playback performance and/or render times with specific codecs from our own system and that is clear for any new user looking for a system upgrade, I think many by reading our posts will have a better understanding if these CPU's will fit their workflow as they are based on realworld tests and I"m sure if anyone would ask we both would take out time to do a test for some specific setups. It is all you have in this forum as a "guide" because GV doesn't provide any of this feedback or doesn't answer any pc hardware related questions which makes ordering a new system a guessing game.

Other then that any claim that one system is faster then the other, no matter if we think it is or have seen some benchmarks, is of no use to anyone because after all, it's just a guess or opinion if you don't perform real world tests.

Maybe the following is a good idea that would help users decide what pc to get next. If I was up for a new system and wanted to know how a specific codec would play on a specific system a way to find out would be to make a 10 minute file available for download and ask anyone who has the cpu and or gpu to test playback performance or export speeds with a clear set of project and export settings. You probably won't find anyone with exactly all the same pc components but you would get pretty close and get a very clear idea what or what not to expect. I for one would have no issue making time available if I would get such a question.

Important would be to make this data available in a fixed post for others to see.

[Ron Evans]

It so depends on what you are doing with CPU`s and with what GPU. I have no proof but expect that an Intel 9th gen with iGPU or later will be faster in EDIUS than any AMD just because EDIUS uses the hardware decode for h264 for timeline playback. There will be differences if using HQX as I then think AMD may have the advantage. Encode is different as I then think hardware decode is not used and comparison is then for the GPU hardware encoder comparison. I doubt whether there is much of a difference between AMD and Intel.

If you look at https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...rchy,4312.html you can see the current ranking. For workstations https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...cpus,5683.html. You can find the tables that show for multithreaded the Threadrippers at top of the list with the only Intel being a Xeon with the 5950 also being close to the top of the list. So for pure number crunching AMD are still in the lead and cost effective too. But in choosing a CPU one needs to be specific as to how it is going to be used. If it is a general use PC for lots of applications then I still feel an AMD with NVIDIA is a more cost effect choice. However for someone just using EDIUS an Intel with iGPU is a better choice. At least at the moment. As to GPU, NVIDIA is the choice for a number of reasons not least is the fact that lots of programs use the CUDA specific cores. Some programs use the equivalent for AMD but I think CUDA is more well used meaning there may be accelerations with a NVIDIA card not present for an AMD GPU.

[noafilm]

Or even a 10th gen i9 which you said will be more powerful than a 5950x, more powerful in what way, can it handle more then 4 tracks H.265 footage and how many before it starts to buffer, how fast can it export to h.265? I think everyone wants to know more specifics because now it's just an opinion without actual facts. About having to use a nvidia gpu seems logical because without one the 5950x won't start :) , sure you have a cost benefit here for not having to buy a gpu but I was more interested in en- and decoding performance. I have used a amd card with my 1950x which showed worse performance compared to the nvidia card I"m using now so nvidia cards are definitely the way to go with a ryzen processor.

[noafilm]

That's not Edius' own encoder, that's NVENC. This was the point I was getting at with having to use an Nvidia GPU as well, which is something you don't have to do with a compatible Intel CPU.

Ok but how much better is decode and encode performance from a 9th gen Intel CPU?

[Ron Evans]

h265 requires a hardware encoder either NVIDIA or in an Intel iGPU. This not done by the CPU at all. Works fine using my 1080Ti. Personally either for EDIUS or Resolve I export a HQX file and encode in TMPGenc as it has more control of audio selection for example. Resolve has no control for audio so do not use .

[Liverpool TV]

I"m using edius own H.265/hevc (nvidia) codec.

That's not Edius' own encoder, that's NVENC. This was the point I was getting at with having to use an Nvidia GPU as well, which is something you don't have to do with a compatible Intel CPU.

[noafilm]

Ron, does your 1900x make use of edius own H.265/hevc (nvidia) codec? My 1950x doesn't, I can select it and the export appears in the "job" window but turns into a error immediately and stops. My 5950x however can use this codec with very high cpu and gpu usage, I"m wondering if this a limitation of the first gen threadrippers or if it is just a issue with either soft- or hardware.

[Ron Evans]

Yes at the moment it would be wise not to upgrade until the performance of the next update is known unless someone is desperate to update because of system failure etc. Too many new CPU's and no availability of GPU's. Raw PC performance for cost is still with the AMD/NVIDIA if you can get them. For laptops it is Intel for Windows and a clear winner in the M1 Mac`s though. A M1 Mac system is close to just buying a GPU if you can get one. Though to be fair a fully kitted M1 Max would cost as much or more than a full Threadripper workstation that would outperform the Mac for long heavy encoding sessions and match for timeline performance.

[Liverpool TV]

For Dave. My 4790K does not have a discrete GPU the whole system just runs off the 4790K iGPU. It gave me all sorts of problems when I bought the 1080Ti to make things faster !! That is when I made the Threadripper and used the 1080Ti in that. My current main system.

So , I just ran a GH5 UHD 60P h264 150Mbps file in an EDIUS X UHD timeline playout to the Benq 4K monitor that is now attached to this PC. EDIUS X played timeline full screen at what looks like full frame rate as far as I can tell from audio sounding fine. With normal editing screen, buffers were full after a few seconds. This was a file that was shot with "Like 709" picture profile rather than Vlog so no need to use PCC. As a test I did apply PCC and that killed it.

System has 16G RAM. So you can see why Resolve will not run at all on this system. Vegas will run similar to EDIUS.

Thanks Ron. It looks like you may have confirmed what I was thinking. I don't seem to remember having any issues when I used the 4790K either using just its iGPU for everything. From memory, when I was within realtime there were no issues with the video playback/screen drawing. This is now pointing to yet another issue with Edius and 11th Gen. I suppose it's going to be very interesting to see exactly what the next update does for Edius. Cheers, Dave.

[noafilm]

and this is how edius is using cpu and gpu during that encode

[noafilm]

I"m using edius own H.265/hevc (nvidia) codec.

[Liverpool TV]

I thought I would answer your question you never got an answer on a year ago; the 5950x uses all the cpu power it can get for either de- or encode, it's around 98% as it still has to leave some for anything else that requires processor power :) So basically total processor usage is 100%



I am wondering how you are coming to this conclusion, have you tested both systems side by side and can you share the differences in either playback and encode? This would be interesting for other users.

I just shot 10 minutes of H265 3840x2160 25p 4:2:0 10 bit 72mbs HLG footage on my gh5s, I can playback 4 tracks in a multicam in realtime with full preview quality when the project settings is 3840x2160 25p 8 bit, when I change the project to 10 bit I can still do 3 tracks realtime. exporting this 10 minute time line to a H.265 codec takes 3,5 minutes. Can you tell how much better a 9th intel CPU would perform?

What are you using for exporting H.265?

[noafilm]

I’m wondering if Edius X will utilise the new AMD CPUs, hence this post.

I thought I would answer your question you never got an answer on a year ago; the 5950x uses all the cpu power it can get for either de- or encode, it's around 98% as it still has to leave some for anything else that requires processor power :) So basically total processor usage is 100%

without an NVENC capable Nvidia GPU, just how does any AMD system export H.265, or how well does it decode H.265 even by comparisons to a 9th Intel CPU. That was rhetorical BTW as anyone buying into AMD should have already know that answers before buying into AMD specifically for Edius.

I am wondering how you are coming to this conclusion, have you tested both systems side by side and can you share the differences in either playback and encode? This would be interesting for other users.

I just shot 10 minutes of H265 3840x2160 25p 4:2:0 10 bit 72mbs HLG footage on my gh5s, I can playback 4 tracks in a multicam in realtime with full preview quality when the project settings is 3840x2160 25p 8 bit, when I change the project to 10 bit I can still do 3 tracks realtime. exporting this 10 minute timeline to a H.265 codec takes 3,5 minutes. Can you tell how much better a 9th intel CPU would perform?

[Ron Evans]

For Dave. My 4790K does not have a discrete GPU the whole system just runs off the 4790K iGPU. It gave me all sorts of problems when I bought the 1080Ti to make things faster !! That is when I made the Threadripper and used the 1080Ti in that. My current main system.

So , I just ran a GH5 UHD 60P h264 150Mbps file in an EDIUS X UHD timeline playout to the Benq 4K monitor that is now attached to this PC. EDIUS X played timeline full screen at what looks like full frame rate as far as I can tell from audio sounding fine. With normal editing screen, buffers were full after a few seconds. This was a file that was shot with "Like 709" picture profile rather than Vlog so no need to use PCC. As a test I did apply PCC and that killed it.

System has 16G RAM. So you can see why Resolve will not run at all on this system. Vegas will run similar to EDIUS.