Recommended CPU for Edius X

[Ron Evans]

Thoff. I will follow Dave in not naming NLE but you can see my signature. EDIUS is the slowest of the set in dealing with UHD files from my GH5's. So h264 UHD 60P. EDIUS will just about play one track but for any useful editing one needs 1/2 resolution in a 1920x1080 project or convert to HQX. ( not going to do that for 4 hours of video for a show ). Another of my NLEs is just a bit faster than EDIUS able to edit the files in realtime and resolution. The other can do 3 track multicam full resolution and speed. As I have said before my Threadripper with 1080Ti with 11G VRAM is no faster than my 4790K just with its iGPU using EDIUS ( any version ). The other two NLE's are a lot faster on the Threadripper and one of them will not run at all on the 4790K with just the iGPU. I am sure you can figure out the code.

The update to EDIUS X is taking too long.

[THoff]

I know why you are being vague, I’m just saying that I don’t know which NLE you were talking about because I haven’t been following the other threads.

[Liverpool TV]

I know why you are being vague, I’m just saying that I don’t know which NLE you were talking about because I haven’t been following the other threads.

Regardless of compatibility with whatever OS or whatever hardware that any other NLE may or may not have, it doesn’t change the position of Edius.

There are a number of simple facts regarding Edius and its use, or not, of various iGPUs, discreet GPUs, drivers and versions of Windows. Reading through the forum it’s very clear as to the position that Edius is currently in regrading such influencing factors as to its operation.

It’s also quite clear as to Edius’ current position with regard updates, or more precisely, when it’s last update was and what that update did, or didn’t do, for Edius.

It’s also overwhelmingly clear as to what many Edius users expect and want from Edius.

What isn’t clear is where Edius currently stands as far as its future is concerned with respect to current Intel technology and Windows software. Let alone any news about whether or not Edius will have any update in its future as Edius X that will allow for full utilisation of discreet GPUs by Nvidia, AMD or even the soon to be released Intel discreet GPUs. And by full utilisation I’m talking about those GPUs to be leveraged as decoders for timeline playback, timeline and FX processing and exporting. So playback, processing and exporting of various codecs.

Let’s not forget that we still don’t have a complete end to end workflow for the various HDR formats within Edius.

Lastly and as far as clarity is concerned. As far as I’m aware, the currently published recommended system specifications for Edius are quite out of date and do not take account of at least the last two generations of Intel processors and their iGPUs.

There is definitely no clearly published roadmap for Edius X, or at least not anywhere on the forum that I can see.

So getting back to the OP’s question about CPU compatibility for Edius X. Given all that I and many others have said in this and many other posts. Without GV’s intervention and clarification, building a system right now with the latest Windows operating system and modern hardware, both CPU and GPU, is going to be fraught with much anxiety and frustration. Given that Edius Workgroup X is, as far as I am aware, currently the most expense commercially available NLE to purchase out right. There should be a lot more clarity and attention to the end user with regard such information and concerns.

This is not the position that any Edius user should be in.

[noafilm]

I just came across this article from videoactive.de where they tested edius x, there is a link from edius.net to this article: va0121_060-063_EdiusXPro_en.pdf (videoaktiv.de)
a quote from eduis.net "Germany’s leading magazine for video technology „videoaktiv“ intensively checked EDIUS X and declared it to be the reference solution compared to all tested NLEs."

The reason why I add this here is because of following remark in the test and I quote:

"Our performance test resulted in seven tracks of real time playback of UHD-24p footage and twelve tracks each containing Full-HD AVCHD 50p material. We were able to edit H.265-video 50p on up to 10 tracks before Edius would stop the real time playback automatically. We achieved those measurements each with the highest preview quality, without proxy files and without prior rendering."

Ofcourse I wanted to know what CPU they used for the test to achieve 7 tracks realtime playback of UHD-24p and after digging a bit deeper it appeared to be a I7 8700k, a GTX 1060 and regular harddrives, so no SSD's for the video files

The pdf file edius.net linked to had the test system removed but on the videoactive website the pdf contained the testsystem (ZUR060-063-SCHNITT-EdiusXPro.indd (videoaktiv.de))

Have I missed something that this 4 year old 6 core cpu can handle so many 4K tracks on regular drives? Anyone with such a cpu here that can acknowledge this is the case?

[Ron Evans]

Well on my Threadripper EDIUS X is the slowest of the NLE's I have on the system. In fact not really usable for UHD60P. It can barely manage a single track consistently. If it has to colour system change from Vlog to rec709 it will not play realtime. 1/2 preview resolution is not always playable. In contrast Resolve will play multicam of three tracks h264 UHD 60P full speed and resolution. Yes we all know the reason. EDIUS is not using my NVIDIA 1080Ti and Resolve is for everything. Remember 1 track UHD 60P is almost the pixel moving load of 3 tracks of 24P. Sorry I do not believe the testing. They clearly did not test competing NLE's set up with recommended hardware. Regular drives are not the issue. I edit multicam 3 tracks from my 6T hard drive Seagate Ironwolf. A track of h264 UHD 60P is only about 18MBps from the GH5 and the drive can sustain almost 200MBps. I only move to the SSD's or NMVE drives for intermediate codecs like HQX or ProRes. Which I need to do to edit in EDIUS of course.

Not a problem editing HD.

[noafilm]

I also find it hard to believe that a i7 8700k can do 7 UHD tracks in realtime with full previewquality, unless someone proves me wrong. It's also strange that Edius.net removed the test setup specs from their translated pdf document, videoactive also doesn't mentioned which codecs exactly where used to test edius.

[Ron Evans]

Being a German magazine I think Magix may be a little upset. Vegas 18 is a lot faster than EDIUS on my PC for the same reason as Resolve. It uses the 1080Ti. It uses more resource than Resolve but you can see GPU use when playing single track of UHD60P at about 35%, CPU 13% full resolution, full frame rate, best quality Vlog to rec709. For completeness EDIUS has absolutely no problem with AVCHD so their data there may be correct. Multicam with 8 tracks AVCHD is fine on my PC. Except that stopped over 4 years ago since I moved to UHD. Now it is mix of h264 UHD60P and XAVC-S. It is with these more complex codecs and higher resolution that EDIUS has problems on my PC. I stress my PC because a new Intel PC with QS will work of course.

[noafilm]

For completeness EDIUS has absolutely no problem with AVCHD so their data there may be correct. Multicam with 8 tracks AVCHD is fine on my PC

But is that H.265? They claim they where able to edit H.265-video 50p on up to 10 tracks.

[Ron Evans]

No that is AVCHD. To me h265 would be really hard. Raises doubts in my mind as to competence of the people who wrote the review. They did mention AVCHD though.

[noafilm]

For AVCHD they mention they where able to do 12 tracks each containing Full-HD AVCHD 50p and that I can believe, but 10 tracks H.265-video 50p and 7 tracks of UHD-24p??

[noafilm]

New pc arrived today, I went for the 5950x. I could have gone for the I9 12900k which seems to get some very good benchmark results, even better then the 5950x.

But it's a risk because it's not known how edius can utilize the performance and efficiency cores, it needs a new motherboard and they are more expensive and might need a few updates before all "bugs" have been taken out. The processor also runs quite hot so good cooling is needed and it uses a lot of power under full load. The memory, if you want ddr5, is also more expensive.

I am setting it up right now and ran a passmark test and I get almost double cpu and memory scores compared to my overclocked 1950x, the 5950x is at stock and I am going to leave it like it is.

Not that important but to show the difference in the passmark test

CPU mark: 5950x = 49991 and the 1950x (10% overclock) = 24168
memorymark 5950x = 3555 and the 1950x = 1944

Both systems have 32gb memory that is set to run at 3200mhz

Anyways, not going to bother anyone with more stats as I don't want to come across as a show off :) but if anyone wants to have some tests done with particular codecs and export settings or wants to know how playback performance is on single files or multicam just send me some sample files and tell me what you want to have tested.

If I get requests like that I"ll open a new thread with my findings. I figure it's good to have that info here because GV doesn't provide that and there is hardly any user feedback meaning you are left to find out for yourself after you bought the system. If more people would do that then it would take out all the guessingwork.

If I don't get any questions then I might post some of my own experience and maybe someone can make good use of that.

[Ron Evans]

What is the full system spec Noa. Motherboard GPU etc. Looks great response. I can see I will have to update my Threadripper some time.

[noafilm]

Motherboard: GIGABYTE AORUS B550 ELITE V2, socket AM4
Memory: HyperX 32 GB DDR4-3200 Kit (HX432C16PB3K2/32, Predator, XMP)
Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 cpu-koeler

I got the cheapest GPU I could find (a gt710) just to enable the systembuilder to put together the pc, I am going to replace it with my "old" gtx 1060 6gb card for now and will upgrade as soon as gpu prices go back to a normal level.
My OS drive is also a simple 500GB WD blue SSD which is more then fast enough for OS and programs and going to add two 2TB M.2 drives for editing and one 6GB harddrive for backup.

[Ron Evans]

There are lots of rumours of a RTX2060 12G card in the new year that I also may look at as an upgrade to my 1080Ti. Lots of VRAM is important for several applications.

[noafilm]

My son in law got himself a AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT which costs as much as my entire pc minus the expensive card, current gpus are ridiculously overpriced right now and I"m glad edius doesn't make good use of a fast card anyway :) Hopefully prices will go down next year because I"m not paying for one now.