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    Planning to get a new pc but not sure if I have to go back to the intel route for QuickSync or stay with amd, I have used a amd 1950x for the past 4 years and eventhough it currently is still powerfull enough for my needs there is one single unsolved issue that is having a big impact on rendertimes, I still get a black frame in my footage on export which I have reported here longer time ago, it is still random, sometime it doesn't happen but often there are one or 2 black frames in random places.

    I have tried evertyhing I could to troubleshoot but it keeps appearing, my workflow in "solving" this is to first export to a hxqavi, then run a ffmpeg script to locate the black frames, then bring the hqxavi back in post and lay it on top of the edit, cut out the blackframes so that the black frame is replaced by the native footage and export again to a hqxavi, then I can use that hqxavi to render my mp4's.

    That can add a few hours extra time for each project because otherwise I would just export directly to a mp4 and be done with it.

    It's been four years now that I have managed like this but it is time to move on and get me a new pc, some posts here however don't look very promising when it comes to quicksync where [email protected] has reported that uhd750 uhd770 don't work well with Edius x leading to poor performance or a crash. The new I9 12900k looks promising but not if Edius x has issues with the integrated GPU.

    Then there are the processors that have no quicksync, either from intel or amd, from testresults reported here it looks like edius benefits more from extra cores instead of a higher corespeed, I also see on my system that all 16 cores are used well for either playback or export.

    Almost every project I do has a multicam of 4 to 5 camera's in 4K 25p 100mbs 4:2:0 and the files are on a M.2 drive, my 1950x can handle this in realtime at full preview quality.

    Personally I lean towards getting the 5950x but if anyone has another tried and tested recommendation that would be great.

  • #2
    https://forum.grassvalley.com/forum/...crash-on-edius

    The avx2 performance of AMD 1950x is low, only about 35% of that of 5950x.Because the two kernel AVX units of 1950x form avx2, the efficiency is low。
    You can refer to my post. Ediusx does not support 11th or 12th igpu. igpu will crash ediusx. If you really want to change your computer, please buy R9 5950x and Intel DG2 graphics cards。Igpu only works for h265 4K 4:2:0, and the performance of other formats is not as good as AMD processor decoding.I'm disappointed with the performance of the 12th generation core i9 12900k with ddr5 which is only a little better than the R9 5950x with ddr4, less than 10%. But the price of the whole computer has doubled.
    Last edited by [email protected]; 11-04-2021, 05:40 PM.
    CPU:AMD R9 5950X GPU:GTX1050 MEM: Micron 4G DDR4 2400x4
    motherboard:ASrock X570 matx
    SSD:intel p3600 sata HDD: HGST 8Tx5 raid0
    Power:Great Wall EPS2000BL 2000W
    OS WIN10 20H2

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    • #3
      Thx for the response, I"m a bit surprised that GV is not responding to these compatibility issues. Anyways, the 5950x does seem like a good investment then. This time I won't be spending as much as 4 years ago, I managed to configure a complete pc at the computerstore where I got my last pc from with a 5950x and 32gb of memory for exactly 1500euro, I did pick the cheapest GPU (a gt710) so the computerstore can build the pc but plan to swap that one with my gtx 1060 6gb that is in my current pc and I normally can transfer my windows 10 pro license to that new pc as well. A few other components like my M.2 drives can also be moved to the new system so saving some money there. Next year I"ll look out for a new GPU once the prices (hopefully) have dropped to a normal level.

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      • #4
        Ryzen 6000 CPU's are slated for January 2022. Wait until then to purchase anything. At least you can compare the latest
        offerings from Intel and AMD. Evidently, DDR-5 is supported in the 6000 series.
        By then, we should have a Windows 11 compliant Edius X available (which is needed for Alder Lake).
        Jerry
        Six Gill DV
        www.sgdvtutorials.com
        If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

        Vistitle YouTube Channel
        https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

        Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
        http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


        Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, NZXT Z63, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, 2TB Sabrent M.2 NVME, BM MINI MONITOR 4K, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Dual LG 27GK65S-B 144Hz monitors, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
        Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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        • #5
          Thanks for the tip Jerry, In pc land there is always something new and better just around the corner :) When I got my 1950x it was also just released, I had a lot of issues in the beginning getting it up to speed and had to deep dive into overclockersforums to get solutions for my disappointing results. There where also some bios updates the following months and eventually I managed to get it up to speed. I'm not sure if I want to go through this again.

          Then there is price, a just released processor which probably needs a new motherboard and ddr5 memory will all add significantly to the price, the 5950x however is 25% cheaper then what I paid for my 1950x 4 years ago! Then there is compatibility issues, there are a few examples here that show that Edius is picky when it comes to certain cpu configurations, same applies for AMD processors and windows 11 which also had problems, that just wants me to stay with win 10 as long as I can.

          If it wasn't for my black frame issue I would continue to use my 1950x, it handles 4 to 5 camera's in a multicam and exports more then fast enough, I"m only tired of having to spend so much extra time to make sure my clients get their films without that black frame, I have some budget available now and 1500euro to make that transition is not that expensive.

          If anyone has some other suggestions for a CPU, I"m still interested to hear some real life experience.

          @ [email protected], you do have a 5950x, how has your experience with it been so far?

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          • #6
            I'm curious how the tests were performed on the 12th Gen chip.
            It was never revealed that the test was with a required Windows 11. Also, a Windows 11 compliant version of Edius X would be required.
            Engineering samples are not the same as release versions.
            Jerry
            Six Gill DV
            www.sgdvtutorials.com
            If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

            Vistitle YouTube Channel
            https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

            Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
            http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


            Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, NZXT Z63, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, 2TB Sabrent M.2 NVME, BM MINI MONITOR 4K, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Dual LG 27GK65S-B 144Hz monitors, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
            Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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            • #7
              I've nothing really to add Noa but I built the PC in my sig and I can't fault it. Plenty fast for me :)

              (Did I miss you from the forums? :) )
              Last edited by tony; 11-06-2021, 04:10 PM.
              Tony




              Fractal Design Define XL R2 Full tower- Asrock Z490 Taichi - i9-10850K -- 250GB 860 EVO- 32GBVengeance LPX- Blackmagic IP4K-- Geforce GTX 1070 Founders Edition -- EVGA G3 850 PSU-- Corsair H100i Pro XT- LG Blu-Ray writer- MxM PCI-e Reader-- EDIUS X WG- Win 10 Pro 64bit.

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              • #8
                Thx, I see the i9-10850K is not being sold anymore in the pc store where I will be ordering from, probably because it's 10th gen? I see it has UHD 630 which might explain why you don't have any issues as UHD750 and 770 don't seem to work well with Edius acc to [email protected].

                I just also found out a extensive discussion took place beginning this year about the same question I have (Edius X and AMD 5950X and 5900X CPUs - Grass Valley Forums) but that didn't bring much to the table either, it looks like we are on our own to experience what works or not...

                Looking at Anton's signature his latest buid is a i9 9960X which doesn't have quicksync and if I recall right he never was a fan of using quicksync, since he also sells turnkey systems I think it's safer just to follow him and go for CPU power with at least 16 cores :) Currently my mind is set on the 5950x unless someone here tells me that also is not working well with edius.

                and yes, you missed me from the forum for a while, will be dropping in now and then, probaly to complain again when I get my new pc :)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jerry View Post
                  I'm curious how the tests were performed on the 12th Gen chip.
                  It was never revealed that the test was with a required Windows 11. Also, a Windows 11 compliant version of Edius X would be required.
                  Engineering samples are not the same as release versions.
                  For any Intel processor product, I can obtain engineering samples 2-4 months in advance. To be exact, lend it to me. If they count the inventory, I will return it.
                  In February, the problem of the 11th igpu processor was ignored. It was really wonderful to delay the problem of very poor performance until now, and it crashed directly.
                  CPU:AMD R9 5950X GPU:GTX1050 MEM: Micron 4G DDR4 2400x4
                  motherboard:ASrock X570 matx
                  SSD:intel p3600 sata HDD: HGST 8Tx5 raid0
                  Power:Great Wall EPS2000BL 2000W
                  OS WIN10 20H2

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                  • noafilm
                    noafilm commented
                    Editing a comment
                    Can I ask how your 5950x is performing? Does edius make good use of all cores?

                • #10
                  I was referring to the 12th Gen tests you performed. Did you use a release version of Win 11 and a compliant Win 11 version of Edius X?
                  If neither were used, the test results are suspect.
                  Last edited by Jerry; 11-07-2021, 05:36 PM.
                  Jerry
                  Six Gill DV
                  www.sgdvtutorials.com
                  If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

                  Vistitle YouTube Channel
                  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

                  Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
                  http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


                  Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, NZXT Z63, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, 2TB Sabrent M.2 NVME, BM MINI MONITOR 4K, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Dual LG 27GK65S-B 144Hz monitors, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
                  Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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                  • #11
                    I recently had a similar indecision. I've come to the conclusion that the most logical option is the 10th generation i9 10900K. I am very happy with my choice now.

                    I was going to use some parts from the old system, so I didn't think of switching to the new generation.

                    In addition, 12th generation Intel processors and DDR5 memory are still very new, it is possible to have problems with applications.
                    Technical problems may arise in the workflow, which means a waste of time and money, and even more importantly, it can cause loss of reputation.
                    The next generation will probably be compatible with Windows 11 to work at full performance, it is still very new in windows 11, it will be stable after a few updates.
                    These will improve over time, but it is not known how Edius will follow all these developments. QS-based performance issues are also known in the 11th generation.

                    My System: Intel I9 10900K | Asus TUF Z590 Plus MB | HyperX Predator 32 Gb 3000 Mhz | Asus Strix GTX-1060 6Gb OC | Samsung 950 Pro SSD | Seagate FireCuda SSHD | Corsair Hydro H110i GT Water Cooler | TC Electronic Impact Twin Audio Interface | IK Multimedia iLoud Micro Monitor | LG 29UM68-P Screen | Edius X | Windows 10 Pro

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by Jerry View Post
                      I was referring to the 12th Gen tests you performed. Did you use a release version of Win 11 and a compliant Win 11 version of Edius X?
                      If neither were used, the test results are suspect.
                      I'm using win10
                      I seem to have said before that Intel has used the new SDK. No matter what system or driver is used, EDIUS will not be called correctly.Amd NVIDIA will not easily replace the SDK interface. I don't know why EDIUS's recent work is to adapt to Intel SDK.number of users with 11th and 12th igpu is very small, and EDIUS is doing useless work.I believe that any user with a computer will have at least one AMD or NVIDIA GPU instead of Intel igpu
                      CPU:AMD R9 5950X GPU:GTX1050 MEM: Micron 4G DDR4 2400x4
                      motherboard:ASrock X570 matx
                      SSD:intel p3600 sata HDD: HGST 8Tx5 raid0
                      Power:Great Wall EPS2000BL 2000W
                      OS WIN10 20H2

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by canerozcoban View Post
                        In addition, 12th generation Intel processors and DDR5 memory are still very new, it is possible to have problems with applications.
                        This is what I experienced when I got the 1950x, it was just released when I got it and it took me months to get it up and running like it should, furthermore I saw a big performance jump between edius 8 and 9 in encoding speeds as NLE manufacturers also take a while catching up to new hardware, in this case the big jump in nr of cores on a processor.



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                        • canerozcoban
                          canerozcoban commented
                          Editing a comment
                          With AMD processors, the situation can be a little more complicated. Multi-core is a big leap, besides that in the ryzen series have been developing processors on the same socket for a long time, some motherboard brands have been slow to update their existing bios. When users thought that it was compatible with their processors and bought motherboards, they experienced performance and crash problems.

                      • #14
                        I think it is safe to say that one year after the releasedate of the 5950x all motherboards have received the necessary updates to make them stable. At least I hope so :)

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                        • #15
                          Originally posted by [email protected] View Post
                          I9 11900t using igpu uhd750 only has very poor performance, and i5 12600K using igpu uhd770 will breakdown,The workload of updating igpu SDK is very heavy. Why not focus on joining the GPU SDK of AMD NVIDIA? In this way, more users will benefit. Users with computers will have at least one AMD or NVIDIA GPU, while Intel igpu is only owned by a small number of users
                          Your tests were on Windows 10 and to be fair to the 12th Gen, should be on Windows 11 with a Windows 11 compatible version of Edius X.
                          Also, you were supposed to be testing the chip and not complaining about the lack of discrete GPU assist in Edius.
                          I want discrete GPU assist, but in this test scenario it really doesn't come into play.
                          Users who purchase the 'K' series chips want the iGPU and are more interested in the tests for that process.....and without bias.
                          There are more owners of systems with iGPU's included than you are evidently aware.

                          From the many tests I've seen of the 12900K , 12700K, and the 12600k, the chip is fast. Since Edius is CPU driven at this time, the chip
                          should be a perfect fit for Edius. Until we can get some real world tests on Windows 11 and a compatible Edius X,
                          those specifics are needed for a true comparison.


                          Jerry
                          Six Gill DV
                          www.sgdvtutorials.com
                          If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

                          Vistitle YouTube Channel
                          https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

                          Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
                          http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


                          Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, NZXT Z63, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, 2TB Sabrent M.2 NVME, BM MINI MONITOR 4K, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Dual LG 27GK65S-B 144Hz monitors, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
                          Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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