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    I've been moving large amounts of video from USB drives onto the local SSD drive on a laptop to work with the files in Edius. Then I move the files back to the USB drives when done. If I need to come back to the project, I move the files back and they are already mapped.

    I wish to now have all this video live to work with in Edius, as the movement back and forth is far too much time. I'm looking at getting a NAS system, from Synology. I believe that runs over cat 5 cable on the network. Looks like a solid connection. Another alternative is to get 4tb SSD drives to place directly into the laptop. I might get away with this for a while, perhaps a year, but it's obvious barely expandable beyond that.

    Any issues I should be aware of now with a NAS system? Is that type of a connection as powerful as a strong SATA connection, or at least as reliable? I don't think I need super fast hard drives, but they will be mechanical drives, 7200rpm.

    Much appreciated if I can get feedback about this process and/or if SSD drives locally in the machine are a much better way to go. I've tried to use USB drives through USB 3.0 external docking stations... total disaster... Edius crashes far too often.

    Help appreciated, agreement, disagreement, all appreciated!

  • #2
    The speed of the network adapters on the Synology and on your motherboard will be a major player in the throughput of the NAS. The faster
    the network, the better the playback. Newer motherboards have 10Gb network adapters on board. A couple of the Synology 4 bay units I looked at
    only had 1Gb network adapters. Pay close attention to that part of the NAS.
    Jerry
    Six Gill DV
    www.sgdvtutorials.com
    If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

    Vistitle YouTube Channel
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

    Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
    http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


    Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, NZXT Z63, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, 2TB Sabrent M.2 NVME, BM MINI MONITOR 4K, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Dual LG 27GK65S-B 144Hz monitors, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
    Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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    • #3
      Just to further what Gerry mentiond about connection speeds, a gigabit network connectiom can move a theoretical maximum of 1 gigabit per second or 125 megabytes per second, including any hardware handshaking and flow control. The usually means that a more reasonable maximum for the actual data is around 115 megabytes per second. Data rates are measures in bits per second but file sizes are measured in bytes. There is a factor of 8 conversion between bits and bytes. lower case b = bits, upper case B = Bytes.

      Here is how that conversion factor gets the 125 megabytes I quoted above.
      1Gbps = 1000 Mbps
      1000 Mbps / 8 = 125 MBps

      Reversing that math also tells us that the more reasonable 115 MBps meas a bandwitdth/data rate of about 920 Mbps or 0.92 Gbps

      This all means that if you are playing across the network and your data requirements exceed the 920 Mbps (or less if there is other network activity also) you will have playback problems. This also means that if you are copying a file, you will get a maximum copy speed of about 115MBps, and since USB3 is about 5 times as fast as 1Gb ethernet, you have about 5 times the copy times you are used too. You can only ever be as fast as the slowest link in the chain.

      I'm not trying to tell you not to get a NAS (I have one that I built myseld using openmediavault as the NAS OS), I'm just trying to make you aware that larger NAS often means slower transfer in comparison to direct attached drives, unless the NAS can offer something like a 10Gbps iSCSI connection.
      Edius WG 9.55.7303, various 3rd party plugins, VisTitle 2.8.0.5, Win 7 Ultimate SP1, i7-4790K @ 4GHz with HD4600 GPU embedded, MSI Z97 Gaming 7 Motherboard, 32GB Kingston HyperX RAM, nVidia GTX680 4GB GPU, Matrox MX02 Mini MAX, Corsair 750W PSU, Corsair H110i GT Water Cooler, Corsair C70 case, 8TB Internal RAID 0/stripe (2x4TB Seagate SATAIII HDD's, Win7 Software stripe), 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD, Pioneer BDR-207D, Dual 1920x1080 monitors (one on GTX680 and one on Intel HD4600).

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      • #4
        Another option you may want to look at is https://www.qnap.com/en/product/tr-004. I have one attached to my editing PC with USB C 3.2 Gen 1 and it is very fast. I have it set up RAID 5. Writing from an NVME drive to the QNAP is close to 200MBps. Copying from the QNAP to the NVME is close to 230MBps. I can edit from it easily for both XAVC from the AX100 and h264 from the GH5. It is setup with 3 x 8T Seagate Ironwolf drives in RAID 5.

        I have a Synology NAS too but that is used to backup all the PC's in the house and family files that all PC's can access. Speed is totally inadequate for editing. It is also more expensive than the QNAP too.
        Ron Evans

        Threadripper 1920 stock clock 3.7, Gigabyte Designare X399 MB, 32G G.Skill 3200CL14, 500G M.2 NVME OS, 500G EVO 850 temp. 1T EVO 850 render, 6T Source, 2 x 1T NVME, MSI 1080Ti 11G , EVGA 850 G2, LG BLuray Burner, BM IP4K, WIN10 Pro, Shuttle Pro2

        ASUS PB328 monitor, BenQ BL2711U 4K preview monitor, EDIUS X, 9.5 WG, Vegas 18, Resolve Studio 17


        Cameras: GH5S, GH5, FDR-AX100, FDR-AX53, DJI OSMO Pocket, Atomos Ninja V x 2

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        • #5
          if your laptop has USB-C 3.1 Gen2 connections, you can connect a short USB-C to sata cable and attach a 4TB or 8TB Samsung SSD, when full, connect another one (520MB/sec read and write)

          if your laptop has USB3 connection, you can use a USB3 to sata cable and connect the same Samsung SSD (260MB/sec read and write) still plenty fast enough

          if you happen to have any of the ATOMOS recorders, then you already have such an adapter cable
          Anton Strauss
          Antons Video Productions - Sydney

          EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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          • #6
            Here is an article that should help with your decision.

            https://larryjordan.com/articles/whe...video-editing/
            Jerry
            Six Gill DV
            www.sgdvtutorials.com
            If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

            Vistitle YouTube Channel
            https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

            Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
            http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


            Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, NZXT Z63, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, 2TB Sabrent M.2 NVME, BM MINI MONITOR 4K, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Dual LG 27GK65S-B 144Hz monitors, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
            Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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            • #7
              Nice document Jerry. For information I direct connect the SSD caddies from the Ninja V to edit just like Anton says in his post. So that all my actual editing initially is done direct from the source SSD from the Ninja V. The QNAP is really used to backup source from the GH5 SD cards when I have shot 8bit on both. Still think in this case the QNAP is a good solution as even with 3 drives it likely costs less than a bare Synology, no drives.
              Ron Evans

              Threadripper 1920 stock clock 3.7, Gigabyte Designare X399 MB, 32G G.Skill 3200CL14, 500G M.2 NVME OS, 500G EVO 850 temp. 1T EVO 850 render, 6T Source, 2 x 1T NVME, MSI 1080Ti 11G , EVGA 850 G2, LG BLuray Burner, BM IP4K, WIN10 Pro, Shuttle Pro2

              ASUS PB328 monitor, BenQ BL2711U 4K preview monitor, EDIUS X, 9.5 WG, Vegas 18, Resolve Studio 17


              Cameras: GH5S, GH5, FDR-AX100, FDR-AX53, DJI OSMO Pocket, Atomos Ninja V x 2

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              • #8
                I know you say large amount of video files but can you give us the approximate size of files moved back and forth? Unless you truly are moving huge amounts, and depending on your computer, you can build a really large internal RAID. Is this moving more of a daily occurrence or more of an archive situation?
                1: 3970X Threadripper, Asus ROG Strix TR40 E Gaming, G. Skill Trident Z Neo 128G DDR4 3600, EVGA GeForce RTX 2080Ti, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 1T, Intel 660P M.2 2T (2), Seagate Ironwolf NAS 12T, Enermax TR4 360 AIO, Lian Li 011 DXL, AJA Kona 4, Asus ROG Thor 1200

                2: i7 6950X OC to 4.5GHz, ASUS RAMPAGE V EDITION 10, Corsair Dominator Platinum 64G DDR4 2800, SAMSUNG 950 PRO M.2 512G, GeForce GTX 1080ti SC Black, Corsair AX1200i, Phanteks Luxe, 16T RAID HGST Deskstar NAS 4T, Corsair H115i AIO, BM IP 4K

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                • #9
                  I like using an internal raid. With drive sizes in the 10GB-18GB range and cache levels in the 256MB range, 2-4 drives could have you pretty well set. Throughput will be quite good as well, especially in Raid 0.
                  To run Raid 5 you will need to have a minimum of 3 drives.
                  Jerry
                  Six Gill DV
                  www.sgdvtutorials.com
                  If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

                  Vistitle YouTube Channel
                  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

                  Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
                  http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


                  Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, NZXT Z63, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, 2TB Sabrent M.2 NVME, BM MINI MONITOR 4K, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Dual LG 27GK65S-B 144Hz monitors, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
                  Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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                  • #10
                    He has laptop.
                    Ron Evans

                    Threadripper 1920 stock clock 3.7, Gigabyte Designare X399 MB, 32G G.Skill 3200CL14, 500G M.2 NVME OS, 500G EVO 850 temp. 1T EVO 850 render, 6T Source, 2 x 1T NVME, MSI 1080Ti 11G , EVGA 850 G2, LG BLuray Burner, BM IP4K, WIN10 Pro, Shuttle Pro2

                    ASUS PB328 monitor, BenQ BL2711U 4K preview monitor, EDIUS X, 9.5 WG, Vegas 18, Resolve Studio 17


                    Cameras: GH5S, GH5, FDR-AX100, FDR-AX53, DJI OSMO Pocket, Atomos Ninja V x 2

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