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    Hi,
    I need a cheap card to export the UHD signal fron Edius 9 timeline to external 4K TV to make grading. I have to buy also a HD or 4K TV, but a small TV (around 32").
    I have Edius 9 Workgroup.
    To be able to spend less money but to get a decent/good video image on the external TV, could I buy a HD card or is it better buying a 4K card?
    I already know I have to do video editing in HD if I use HD card.
    C,ould you give me a suggestion please about a precise card I have to buy?
    Thank you for your suggestions.

    A lonesome traveler looking for lost tribes around the world: https://www.youtube.com/c/ExploringWorldA/videos
    CPU: Intel i9 7940X
    MOTHERBOARD: Asus PRIME X299-DELUXE
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    (D) 1TB Samsung 960 EVO PCIe M.2 NVMe

  • #2
    yes, Blackmagic Mini Monitor 4k
    Anton Strauss
    Antons Video Productions - Sydney

    EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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    • #3
      Thanks a lot!
      In your opinion if I spend a little more money for another and better card, could i get more?
      A lonesome traveler looking for lost tribes around the world: https://www.youtube.com/c/ExploringWorldA/videos
      CPU: Intel i9 7940X
      MOTHERBOARD: Asus PRIME X299-DELUXE
      VIDEOCARD: NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti
      SSD Drive:
      (C) 512GB Samsung 960 EVO PCIe M.2 NVMe (for Windows 10)
      (D) 1TB Samsung 960 EVO PCIe M.2 NVMe

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      • #4

        You have two reasonably priced options:
        The 4k Mini Monitor for 25p/30p and the Intensity Pro 4k for 25p/30p. Both under $200 US.

        To get UHD 50p/60p will cost you $900 US.
        Jerry
        Six Gill DV
        www.sgdvtutorials.com
        If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

        Vistitle YouTube Channel
        https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

        Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
        http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


        Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, Corsair H110, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, HD Spark, Intensity Shuttle, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Benq 27 and Hanns-G 28 monitors, CC 2019, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
        Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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        • #5
          They will do 50/60P in HD though so you can get the motion you like. You could edit in HD and then change back to UHD for export to watch on your main TV. It is what I do now with my settup though do not often use UHD for export. See my signature.
          Ron Evans

          Threadripper 1920 stock clock 3.7, Gigabyte Designare X399 MB, 32G G.Skill 3200CL14, 500G M.2 NVME OS, 500G EVO 850 temp. 1T EVO 850 render, 6T Source, 2 x 1T NVME, MSI 1080Ti 11G , EVGA 850 G2, LG BLuray Burner, BM IP4K, WIN10 Pro, Shuttle Pro2

          ASUS PB328 monitor, BenQ BL2711U 4K preview monitor, EDIUS X, 9.5 WG, Vegas 18, Resolve Studio 17


          Cameras: GH5S, GH5, FDR-AX100, FDR-AX53, DJI OSMO Pocket, Atomos Ninja V x 2

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          • #6
            Hey Jerry, thanks for your help.
            I need to ask 2 questions pplease:
            1) Is it better to use a 4K external TV or a good 4K monitor for PC to make grading?
            2) What can happen if I shot at 50p and I put those 50p clips on the Edius timenine and I use 4k Mini Monitor for 25p/30p or the Intensity Pro 4k for 25p/30? Is it possible to do grading with some stratagems?
            Thank you again one.
            A lonesome traveler looking for lost tribes around the world: https://www.youtube.com/c/ExploringWorldA/videos
            CPU: Intel i9 7940X
            MOTHERBOARD: Asus PRIME X299-DELUXE
            VIDEOCARD: NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti
            SSD Drive:
            (C) 512GB Samsung 960 EVO PCIe M.2 NVMe (for Windows 10)
            (D) 1TB Samsung 960 EVO PCIe M.2 NVMe

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ron Evans View Post
              They will do 50/60P in HD though so you can get the motion you like. You could edit in HD and then change back to UHD for export to watch on your main TV. It is what I do now with my settup though do not often use UHD for export. See my signature.
              I read your reply late but I read good news form you, now I uderstand better.
              About external 4K TV and 4K monitor for PC, which of both is better for grading?
              Thank you.
              A lonesome traveler looking for lost tribes around the world: https://www.youtube.com/c/ExploringWorldA/videos
              CPU: Intel i9 7940X
              MOTHERBOARD: Asus PRIME X299-DELUXE
              VIDEOCARD: NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti
              SSD Drive:
              (C) 512GB Samsung 960 EVO PCIe M.2 NVMe (for Windows 10)
              (D) 1TB Samsung 960 EVO PCIe M.2 NVMe

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              • #8
                The important thing for grading is that the monitor has good calibration and better if it can be calibrated.
                Ron Evans

                Threadripper 1920 stock clock 3.7, Gigabyte Designare X399 MB, 32G G.Skill 3200CL14, 500G M.2 NVME OS, 500G EVO 850 temp. 1T EVO 850 render, 6T Source, 2 x 1T NVME, MSI 1080Ti 11G , EVGA 850 G2, LG BLuray Burner, BM IP4K, WIN10 Pro, Shuttle Pro2

                ASUS PB328 monitor, BenQ BL2711U 4K preview monitor, EDIUS X, 9.5 WG, Vegas 18, Resolve Studio 17


                Cameras: GH5S, GH5, FDR-AX100, FDR-AX53, DJI OSMO Pocket, Atomos Ninja V x 2

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                • #9
                  a dedicated TV with full setup menu like Samsung is always better than any PC monitor as they are not designed for video viewing at all
                  Anton Strauss
                  Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                  EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                    a dedicated TV with full setup menu like Samsung is always better than any PC monitor as they are not designed for video viewing at all
                    Agreed. A video monitor with proper setup is best. Computer monitors are not designed to work natively at all video framerates and they tend to operate in RGB colour while a video monitor can often work in RGB and YUV. If you can afford an actual post production monitor, such as a Flanders or Sony instead of a TV it is better, but a good TV with the proper settings available and a proper setup/calibration can work very good too.
                    Edius WG 9.54.6706, various 3rd party plugins, VisTitle 2.8.0.5, Win 7 Ultimate SP1, i7-4790K @ 4GHz with HD4600 GPU embedded, MSI Z97 Gaming 7 Motherboard, 32GB Kingston HyperX RAM, nVidia GTX680 4GB GPU, Matrox MX02 Mini MAX, Corsair 750W PSU, Corsair H110i GT Water Cooler, Corsair C70 case, 8TB Internal RAID 0/stripe (2x4TB Seagate SATAIII HDD's, Win7 Software stripe), 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD, Pioneer BDR-207D, Dual 1920x1080 monitors (one on GTX680 and one on Intel HD4600).

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                    • #11
                      Now I have clear ideas, thank you.
                      A lonesome traveler looking for lost tribes around the world: https://www.youtube.com/c/ExploringWorldA/videos
                      CPU: Intel i9 7940X
                      MOTHERBOARD: Asus PRIME X299-DELUXE
                      VIDEOCARD: NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti
                      SSD Drive:
                      (C) 512GB Samsung 960 EVO PCIe M.2 NVMe (for Windows 10)
                      (D) 1TB Samsung 960 EVO PCIe M.2 NVMe

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                      • #12
                        if only there were 27 inch TV's with 4K 60p

                        Don't forget you need EDIUS Workgroup for 4K 50/60p

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                        • #13
                          Ulisse - you might take a look at the LG - 27UL600-W 27" IPS LED 4K UHD FreeSync Monitor with HDR. Around $400 American. I just installed one in December powered by the BM MiniMonitor 4K, and it's got a great 4K UHD pix. Calibrates pretty well.
                          Alan J. Levi
                          Director

                          SYSTEM: ASUS P8Z77-VPro mobo, Intel 3770K CPU, 16 Gig Crucial 1866 RAM, Antec 1000W PS, EVGA nVidia 560Ti 1Gig Video, CoolerMaster CPU cooler, LG GGW-H20L BluRay DVD, SPARK card w/23" Samsung 1920x1080 Monitor, OCZ 240GB SSD boot in Swapable Tray & 3 WD Enterprise 1TB video RAID 5 HDD's. 4.5TB RAID 1 Outboard backups, Behringer2000 Audio Fader/Controller

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ulisse View Post
                            Hey Jerry, thanks for your help.
                            I need to ask 2 questions pplease:
                            1) Is it better to use a 4K external TV or a good 4K monitor for PC to make grading?
                            2) What can happen if I shot at 50p and I put those 50p clips on the Edius timenine and I use 4k Mini Monitor for 25p/30p or the Intensity Pro 4k for 25p/30? Is it possible to do grading with some stratagems?
                            Thank you again one.
                            I have the Mini Monitor 4K which also passes HDR and switches automatically to your selected HDR mode.

                            1. If you want to edit in full resolution 25/30p there won't be any issues.

                            2. If you want to use 50/60p, you can start a UHD project in 50/60p and then drop the Frame size to 1920x1080 to get an output
                            to monitor or TV. This method also passes the HDR without issue.

                            3. The other method is to start a 50/60p UHD project and then in the lower section of the System Settings>Hardware>Preview Device
                            panel, select the Convert to format supported by device. Then select the up to 1920x1080 50/59.94P option. This option also passes
                            the HDR information. Look at the screen shot.

                            4. If you are having playback issues due to too many layers, try step two. Step three will not get as good of a boost due to the fact that
                            the frame size of the timeline is still in UHD.

                            The card is easy to install and only costs $195 US. The step up is the 12G Extreme that costs $895 US. However, it does do native 50/60p out in UHD.
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                            Jerry
                            Six Gill DV
                            www.sgdvtutorials.com
                            If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

                            Vistitle YouTube Channel
                            https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

                            Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
                            http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


                            Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, Corsair H110, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, HD Spark, Intensity Shuttle, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Benq 27 and Hanns-G 28 monitors, CC 2019, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
                            Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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                            • #15
                              I always read your suggestions carefully. They are interesting. I thank you
                              A lonesome traveler looking for lost tribes around the world: https://www.youtube.com/c/ExploringWorldA/videos
                              CPU: Intel i9 7940X
                              MOTHERBOARD: Asus PRIME X299-DELUXE
                              VIDEOCARD: NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti
                              SSD Drive:
                              (C) 512GB Samsung 960 EVO PCIe M.2 NVMe (for Windows 10)
                              (D) 1TB Samsung 960 EVO PCIe M.2 NVMe

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