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    Sorry, but since these questions are kind of specific, I thought I'd raise a new thread. This is using Edius 4.6. For the most part, RT is ok on my system. However, I noticed with a recent project that using PiP just about cripples my system. Also with Edius 5 being installed soon, I wonder if there is a bottleneck on the system. Also, I can't play Vitascene effects in Realtime.

    Clip is: Canopus HQ 1440/1080

    I notice that with a single Pip, Slow motion and a Smooth blur, the system cannot play realtime. Two PiP's wont play realtime either.

    My system is:

    Mainboard: Asus P5W DH Deluxe,I975X,Socket-775,ATX, SATAIIx7, Dual-GbLAN, DDR2, 2xPCI-Ex16
    CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 2.67GHz Socket LGA775 (Quad code)
    Memory: 2GB Corsair TWIN2X 8500C5 DDR2
    Graphics: XFX GeForce 7900GS 525M 256MB GDDR3, XT-X, PCI-Express, 525/1550Mhz
    System Drive: Samsung SpinPoint T166 320GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM
    Video Drives: Couple of 7200's with ample speed.

    Seems to me that the obvious weakness is the graphics card. But I wonder if upgrading this will make any different to things like PiP performance. Although, I realise I will need something better for Edius 5 new effects.
    Many thanks
    Martin
    Last edited by Martin_Gleeson; 10-04-2008, 03:19 PM.
    Windows 10 Pro. Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Ultra Gaming mainboard, Intel i7-8700K processor, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz RAM, Radeon R9 270 2GB DDR5 Graphics.
    Samsung SSD Drives for system and mixture of SSD and 7200 SATA for video storage.

    Edius 9.50. Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4k
    Dublin, Ireland. PAL.

  • #2
    I'm gonna talk to the guys at DVC who built this Supermicro system and try to ascertain its real expectations - maybe we are all in need of dual quad core machines these days - GV state 3ghz or faster, multiple cores recommended - 2gb ram or more recommended - 256 mb graphics card for HD editing and raid 0 7200 ata100 or faster.

    My system outstrips this spec easily, but V5 plays like a sack of thick jelly, however it performs well on my Vaio laptop...

    just don't get it right now...

    Paul
    Edius Edits at: http://www.vimeo.com/user781619/videos

    1) AMD 3900X 12 core 4.6Ghz 2) Asus X79 4930K 6 core @4.4GHz Water Cooled. 480GB REVO3x2 System drive, 4TB Raid 0, 4 TB E-Sata Raid 5, 32GB RAM, GTX1070Ti Decklink HD Extreme. 3X Sony AX53 Sony AX700 BMPCC 4K

    http://indiestereographer.blogspot.co.uk

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    • #3
      G'day Martin,
      Firstly, as you say, a new graphics card would help, particularly with E5 and GPU. The 7900GS (Go Slow) card is ageing a bit. The GT model had twice the through put but not enough pipes to handle Edius effects efficiently.
      Having said that, Edius really flies in SD or with HQ AVI native files but when confronted with MOV's or Mpeg's or something odd slows to a crawl. The 3D PIP will slow down even a real good graphic card - don't expect too much in this area.
      I've just installed a nVidia 9800GT (1Gb RAM) together with the HDStorm card and things seem to be motoring well in this department - but still early days yet.

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      • #4
        Hey Martin.
        That should playback realtime easy on your system.
        Here is what I can achieve with 4.60 and and I have a slower CPU smaller graphics cards and use just single sata drives.
        http://www.hdvunderwater.com/edius/test/test.htm

        Take out one of your graphics cards and try.
        Then put that one back in and take out the other one.

        Paul did you use the trial version of 5 or the retail one.
        Win 10 pro, Intel Core i7 8700K, ASRock Z370 Extreme 4, 16 GIGs Corsair Vengeance 3000 Ram, Single SATA drives, Nvidia GTX 560.
        www.flykam.com.au www.wagscapes.com.au

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        • #5
          Retail on my Supermicro - currently with Trial on the Laptop
          Edius Edits at: http://www.vimeo.com/user781619/videos

          1) AMD 3900X 12 core 4.6Ghz 2) Asus X79 4930K 6 core @4.4GHz Water Cooled. 480GB REVO3x2 System drive, 4TB Raid 0, 4 TB E-Sata Raid 5, 32GB RAM, GTX1070Ti Decklink HD Extreme. 3X Sony AX53 Sony AX700 BMPCC 4K

          http://indiestereographer.blogspot.co.uk

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          • #6
            O... then that Supermicro system needs to be looked at.
            Win 10 pro, Intel Core i7 8700K, ASRock Z370 Extreme 4, 16 GIGs Corsair Vengeance 3000 Ram, Single SATA drives, Nvidia GTX 560.
            www.flykam.com.au www.wagscapes.com.au

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            • #7
              Hey Wags, are you talking SD or HD?

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              • #8
                yep, there's sure something odd going on, I thought maybe SP 3 was needed, but it installs and then won't boot, so thats strange too, unless it's a known issue as well.

                Paul

                fed up, going for a beer by the pool

                Paul
                Edius Edits at: http://www.vimeo.com/user781619/videos

                1) AMD 3900X 12 core 4.6Ghz 2) Asus X79 4930K 6 core @4.4GHz Water Cooled. 480GB REVO3x2 System drive, 4TB Raid 0, 4 TB E-Sata Raid 5, 32GB RAM, GTX1070Ti Decklink HD Extreme. 3X Sony AX53 Sony AX700 BMPCC 4K

                http://indiestereographer.blogspot.co.uk

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                • #9
                  I used Canopus HQ 1440/1080....

                  I remember running around uninstalling SP2 when it came out off computers as it was not compatible with some systems and would not boot. Never trust a SP patch...he he...
                  Win 10 pro, Intel Core i7 8700K, ASRock Z370 Extreme 4, 16 GIGs Corsair Vengeance 3000 Ram, Single SATA drives, Nvidia GTX 560.
                  www.flykam.com.au www.wagscapes.com.au

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by redgum View Post
                    I've just installed a nVidia 9800GT (1Gb RAM) together with the HDStorm card and things seem to be motoring well in this department - but still early days yet.
                    Hi John,

                    Thanks for that advise. Very useful. Does the 9800GT take up more than one slot. My MB is a bit tight on space!

                    Thanks
                    Windows 10 Pro. Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Ultra Gaming mainboard, Intel i7-8700K processor, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz RAM, Radeon R9 270 2GB DDR5 Graphics.
                    Samsung SSD Drives for system and mixture of SSD and 7200 SATA for video storage.

                    Edius 9.50. Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4k
                    Dublin, Ireland. PAL.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wags View Post
                      O... then that Supermicro system needs to be looked at.
                      I have a Supermicro system that seems a bit lacking in performance despite having impressive system specs.
                      Camera: Sony HVRZ1U
                      Software: Edius 5.11, ProCoder 3.05.91, Imaginate 2, DVDit Pro HD
                      System: Supermicro X7DA8, 2 Dual-Core Xeon (5060) 3.2GHz, 4GB RAM, (ST3750640AS) 750GB x 2 SATA
                      7200RPM RAID 0, PNY NVIDIA GeForce 9600GT (512MB), Dell UltraSharp 2407WFP, WinXP(SP2), Edius NX w/ Bay and Expansion Kit

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Martin_Gleeson View Post
                        Sorry, but since these questions are kind of specific, I thought I'd raise a new thread. This is using Edius 4.6. For the most part, RT is ok on my system. However, I noticed with a recent project that using PiP just about cripples my system. Also with Edius 5 being installed soon, I wonder if there is a bottleneck on the system. Also, I can't play Vitascene effects in Realtime.

                        Clip is: Canopus HQ 1440/1080

                        I notice that with a single Pip, Slow motion and a Smooth blur, the system cannot play realtime. Two PiP's wont play realtime either.

                        My system is:

                        Mainboard: Asus P5W DH Deluxe,I975X,Socket-775,ATX, SATAIIx7, Dual-GbLAN, DDR2, 2xPCI-Ex16
                        CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 2.67GHz Socket LGA775 (Quad code)
                        Memory: 2GB Corsair TWIN2X 8500C5 DDR2
                        Graphics: XFX GeForce 7900GS 525M 256MB GDDR3, XT-X, PCI-Express, 525/1550Mhz
                        System Drive: Samsung SpinPoint T166 320GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM
                        Video Drives: Couple of 7200's with ample speed.

                        Seems to me that the obvious weakness is the graphics card. But I wonder if upgrading this will make any different to things like PiP performance. Although, I realise I will need something better for Edius 5 new effects.
                        Many thanks
                        Martin
                        Martin, I have a same motherboard as yours (but a slower CPU).
                        I'm using E5 with SD and won't have any problem with 3d PIPs (4 video tracks). Just tried the Canopus HQ 1440/1080i - 5 video tracks stacked up without any problem, but with 3d PIP ... it won't pass 1 track with 3d PIP and Blur filter (barely passed 1 track with 3d PIP only).

                        TuyLe
                        notes: I think GV knew about the issue with 3d PIP.
                        Last edited by tuyle; 10-04-2008, 09:03 PM.
                        Asus P5WDH Deluxe w/E6600 - 4GB Corsair - 8800GTS - 1TB & 1.5TB (2x750GB RAID 0) - Antec P180 + Trio 650W - XP Pro w/sp3 - NX PCIe w/Expansion Card - Edius 5.51
                        Asus P6T i7 920 @3.6 - 12GB Corsair Dominator - GTX275 - 1.5TB & 3TB (2x1.5TB RAID 0) for Video - Antec P183 + Corsair HX-750W - Win7 - Edius 6.07 - Firecoder Blu - PC3.05.91 - BDR-203 - TMW5 & TAW5
                        Asus P6T i7 930 - 12GB Corsair - GTX260 - 1TB & 1TB WD Black for Video - Antec P183 + TPQ-850W - Win7 - Edius 6.07 w/HD Spark - BDR-205

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                        • #13
                          Stay away from all the cards mentionned above, do your self a favour and have a look at either a NVidia 260GT or 280GT, these cards have full 4 point floating processors on board. the new 200 series cards have come a long way with built in Phyx's Technology,Up to 240 processor cores,Full 128-bit floating point precision through the entire rendering pipeline, Microsoft DirectX 10.0 Shader Model 4.0 and OpenGL 2.1, Dedicated on-chip video processor, 1.4 billion transistors in 65nm process technology, ect ect, I could keep going on but check one out for yourself, you won't regret it.


                          Cheers
                          Steve
                          Main system, Supermicro X8DAH+,Dual Xeon X5680 cpu's 24 cores,2x1400watt power supplys,SC747TG-R1400B-SQ Case,192GB 1333mhz ECC Registered ram,8 x 480GB Intel 520 SSD drives,Windows 7 64 bit ultimate, GTX 670 4GB ,2 x Sony BWU300S Blu-Ray burners, 1x Sony DVD burner,LSI 9266 Raid Controller with Cache vault & fast path Lic, ESI MayaE Audio,HD Spark,Blackmagic intensity Pro,TMPGenc 5,Episode Pro 6,Sorenson 9 Pro,Alcohol 120 V2, Edius 6.53,Dell 27"LCD,HD Spark, Powershield 3000VA UPS.

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                          • #14
                            Thanks Steve, but the 200 series require 2 PCI slots.
                            Windows 10 Pro. Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Ultra Gaming mainboard, Intel i7-8700K processor, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz RAM, Radeon R9 270 2GB DDR5 Graphics.
                            Samsung SSD Drives for system and mixture of SSD and 7200 SATA for video storage.

                            Edius 9.50. Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4k
                            Dublin, Ireland. PAL.

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                            • #15
                              Yeah but if you want the performance you have got to make the Sacrifice,
                              you just won't get the performance from the other cards like the 200 series offer.


                              Steve
                              Main system, Supermicro X8DAH+,Dual Xeon X5680 cpu's 24 cores,2x1400watt power supplys,SC747TG-R1400B-SQ Case,192GB 1333mhz ECC Registered ram,8 x 480GB Intel 520 SSD drives,Windows 7 64 bit ultimate, GTX 670 4GB ,2 x Sony BWU300S Blu-Ray burners, 1x Sony DVD burner,LSI 9266 Raid Controller with Cache vault & fast path Lic, ESI MayaE Audio,HD Spark,Blackmagic intensity Pro,TMPGenc 5,Episode Pro 6,Sorenson 9 Pro,Alcohol 120 V2, Edius 6.53,Dell 27"LCD,HD Spark, Powershield 3000VA UPS.

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