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Originally posted by fluppe85 View PostOK, thank you all for the supplied information. The HDstorm it will be...As Im not editing on a professional base, I think the HQ codec will offer me more than enough if I plan to change to HD.
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This advantage of NX Express hasn't been mentioned anywhere lately:
Component out is BNC.
Not a biggie though.
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OK, thank you all for the supplied information. The HDstorm it will be...As Im not editing on a professional base, I think the HQ codec will offer me more than enough if I plan to change to HD.
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Originally posted by fluppe85 View PostBut in this case, it would rely on the CPU for the capturing? Or isn't that the big deal anymore with PCs nowadays? I ask this because I've found following text: The onboard hardware DV codec, featured with Canopus realtime DV editing solutions, relieves the CPU from handling the processor-intensive task of rendering DV output without limiting the number of realtime video streams and effects capabilities .When used in OHCI mode, EDIUS’ DV processing is purely software-based, which utilizes valuable CPU power. This usage of the CPU can reduce the realtime playback capabilities of effects and multi-track edits and as such, editors may have to render sequences more frequently, if only to preview a composition. A Canopus realtime DV editing card overcomes this performance hit with onboard hardware DV processing, increasing the editing power of EDIUS systems. (text in conjunction with DVstorm 2)
This let me presume there should be some advantage using firewire on NX. Sorry about all these questions, but i will not be disappointed after buying one of the cards.
I'm sorry if I confused you about the 2 cards. You have to decide if the restriction of HQ ingest only with HDMI is an issue. DV capture is the same by way of your onboard firewire input by way of E5. If I was purchasing a new card at this point in time, and I did not need other codec options for ingest, I would go with the HDSTORM+. It is just that simple.
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Capturing DV and HDV is a simple data transfer over Firewire, like copying a file.
Rendering effects actually hasn't used the hardware DV codec for a long time. All is done in CPU, so there's really no difference between using the NX Firewire port or motherboard or add-in card Firewire port. That's why there's no Firewire port on the HDSTORM - most people already have a Firewire port and it would be redundant.
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Originally posted by GrassValley_BH View PostYou can still capture DV and HDV in EDIUS using any OHCI-compliant Firewire interface, you just can't capture it through the HDSTORM.
This let me presume there should be some advantage using firewire on NX. Sorry about all these questions, but i will not be disappointed after buying one of the cards.
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Originally posted by fluppe85 View PostBefore I didn't but these previous posts of Jerry are just confusing me I think.
Why should he come up with the HQ hardware encoder, anyway? What's the reason the website doesn't specifically mentions the video formats for capturing and output like Canopus DV, Canopus lossless, HDV, DV/DVCAM.
As I understand, there is no more hardware based SD MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 export possibility. What's the consequence of that?
For the moment I need a system to go with (mini)DV as input and mostly DVD (MPEG-2) and/or back to camcorder as output. Real-time monitoring will be on an analogue old Tv. Also I will be able to capture my old VHS movies. Besides that, I probably will change to a High definition camcorder within a year and a half, max 2y. So What would be the best choice. I see MPEG encoding could also be done by cards as the Firecoder(?).
If you need to capture old VHS movies, you can use the NX card and use Y/C for better quality than composite input.
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Originally posted by fluppe85 View PostWhat's the reason the website doesn't specifically mentions the video formats for capturing and output like Canopus DV, Canopus lossless, HDV, DV/DVCAM.
Originally posted by fluppe85 View PostAs I understand, there is no more hardware based SD MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 export possibility. What's the consequence of that?
Originally posted by fluppe85 View PostFor the moment I need a system to go with (mini)DV as input and mostly DVD (MPEG-2) and/or back to camcorder as output. Real-time monitoring will be on an analogue old Tv. Also I will be able to capture my old VHS movies.
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Originally posted by GrassValley_BH View PostIs there a specific reason you can't or don't want to use on-board Firewire or an OHCI Firewire card for DV capture?
Why should he come up with the HQ hardware encoder, anyway? What's the reason the website doesn't specifically mentions the video formats for capturing and output like Canopus DV, Canopus lossless, HDV, DV/DVCAM.
As I understand, there is no more hardware based SD MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 export possibility. What's the consequence of that?
For the moment I need a system to go with (mini)DV as input and mostly DVD (MPEG-2) and/or back to camcorder as output. Real-time monitoring will be on an analogue old Tv. Also I will be able to capture my old VHS movies. Besides that, I probably will change to a High definition camcorder within a year and a half, max 2y. So What would be the best choice. I see MPEG encoding could also be done by cards as the Firecoder(?).
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Is there a specific reason you can't or don't want to use on-board Firewire or an OHCI Firewire card for DV capture?
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Originally posted by Jerry View PostOnboard Canopus HQ hardware encoder for fast, high-quality capture and export of video to Canopus HQ AVI files
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@fluppe85:
You can capture DV and HDV through your normal Firewire port.
@Jerry:
I agree that non-HQ capture is desired, especially as it's a loss of functionality coming from NX. The engineers haven't said it's impossible, but they also haven't given us a timeframe on enabling it yet either.
As for 10-bit, 10-bit is more data, so it would likely require a larger buffer, which would require different board hardware unless it's already accounted for, which I would guess is not due to cost optimizations. So my best guess is that 10-bit hardware support would have to be a future card, followed closely by 10-bit support in EDIUS.
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Originally posted by fluppe85 View PostWhat do you mean with this? That I wouldn't be able to capture DV?
You can judge for yourself.
http://desktop.thomsongrassvalley.co...TORM/index.php
Onboard Canopus HQ hardware encoder for fast, high-quality capture and export of video to Canopus HQ AVI files
Onboard Encoding Resolutions (Canopus HQ)
1920 x 1080
1440 x 1080(1920 2/3 pixel aspect ratio)
1280 x 1080 (1920 3/4 pixel aspect ratio)
1280 x 720
960 x 720 (1280 2/3 pixel aspect ratio)
720 x 576
720 x 480
Actually, HQ instead of DV, is an improvement.
Brandon can be more specific as to pure DV capture. I'm not reading it on the page at all.Last edited by Jerry; 09-30-2008, 08:36 PM.
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Originally posted by GrassValley_BH View PostAFAIK, there is no "ADVC mode" on the HDSTORM, as it's oriented more toward HD.
With the bay, you gain HD Component input and still have HD Component output.
HDSTORM is the way to go unless you really have no intention of going to HDMI or you really NEED the ADVC mode or you have some other strange attachment to something the NX has. Not sure if/when non-HQ format capture will be available on HDSTORM though.
Being restricted to HQ is a little limiting for such a sophisticated piece of hardware. Especially since HDMI can capture full raster HD uncompressed.
If and when we get a 10bit HQ codec, would this onboard chip be able to be
upgraded to handle the 10bit HQ by way of firmware updates? I'm guessing that would be pure speculation on your part.
Jerry
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