Edius and R3D file support

[hvx_germanboy]

using proxys

Thank's for your thoughts Jerry,
I am amazed to see that you can even handle Multicam 4K Material on your machine, looks like I have to think of more horsepower anytime soon.

I am not even sure we should shot in 4K as we will only output to HD and the Color-Information will be as good as shoting 4K.
However, the cameraperson I work with has experience in shoting Redone
(and Epic and Scarlet) and her experience seemed to be that shoting 4K is more reliable.
But this might be an outdated thing.

However, what I don't understand about Proxys in Edius yet:
Let's say I set my project-settings to 1920/25p, importing R3d at 4K:
Processing a proxy will end up at 4K, 60fps, nevertheless.
Maybe I have to look more into the settings of proxys, but I wasn't very lucky by outputting HQX so far.
Any additional thoughts on Proxys maybe?

[Jerry]

I wouldn't even bother with the proxy mode. The proxy takes a lot of time. If you are going to do that, just convert to HQX. There isn't a reason to work in a 4k project setting.
If I had a card, and a monitor, that handled 4k-then I would want to work in a 4k project setting.

As far as the 4k material:
1. It is 4096x2160 at 1/8th res-you can go to 1/16 to help.
2. It is edited in a 1920x1080 project
3. The final output will automatically be at full resolution.

These two choices will give you the same result on a machine with at least a 980x in it.

[hvx_germanboy]

Thanks for the quick reply Jerry.

I guess this is exactly what I tried:
changing to a 1920 project,
also tried converting to HQX inside the BIN (which gives me 4K HQX files..)
and this still seems to much for my system.

I assume there is no quick way in batch-exporting from 4K RED.raw to 1920 HQX inside Edius, right?

In that case I had to go with REDCINE, I guess.

Still wondering if we should shot in 1920 from the scratch with the Scarlet and see if this gives smoth editing at .raw, at least with 1/8 or 1/16 setting..?

[Jerry]

You can shoot with the Scarlet and use a Samurai for capture to 1920x1080. This will import into Edius and you will be able to use the quality of the Red in a resolution that is more acceptable to your needs.
Please post your system specs.

[hvx_germanboy]

I am currently working on a laptop,
updated my specs in the signature for this.

I must admit that getting some more RAM would be helpfull,
maybe a new machine too.
But this is not going to happen ASAP, so I am trying to figure what to do for now.

I have been transcoding 4k Material to 1920 with Redcine for more than 3 hours now, I fear that this is not more but 5 Minutes total of Material.

Shoting 1920 RAW (my Cameraperson will kill me if I add a Ninja, extra weight...!) might still be a route to go,
maybe ending up with a respectable speed in editing.
This way we could keep the entire Color-information.

Got no HD-Footage form Epic/Scarlet here unfortunatly, anybody something available around here?

Thanks again

p.s. just finished the export:
4k with 59,49fps to 1920x1080 HQX took 3 and a half hours,
for app. 6 and a half minutes of footage.
To be fair, it might be faster, when shoting 25fps from the scratch, but this still hurts..!

[hvx_germanboy]

Hello Jerry,

maybe I am chross-posting a bit regarding the other thread we had,
nevertheless, it seems to fit in here.

I recorded different fps', compressions from 3:1 up to 18:1, and I did different formats, mostly 4kHD and 2kHD on the scarlet.

Here is what I found as results:
a higher compression ends up runing smoother than a lower one.
Seems to be quite logic, as there is less data to be processed.

4kHD is too much for my PC, no matter which preview I chose in Edius (1/8 and 1/16 are still choppy in particular when using a 6:1 compression, which is the highest in 4kHD/Scarlet.

2kHD seemed to be the solution,
untill I realized how RED processes the pictures: it is a CROP from the original frame, so you will end up with a way different piece of the picture and in this case (shoting inside) this would be way to close and we won't change for 16mm wide-angle optics for this.

So I have to stay in 4kHD, no matter what.
Proxys in Edius take- I am sorry to say that- forwever once you try to to create them from 4K.

My process will be like in good old film times:
log the important shots, re-check in Redcine-x-pro, shorten over there, pre-CC and export as 1920-HQX.
This still is time-consuming, but way better than proxy-creation.

It would be great if we had the opportunity to export an EDL from Edius (scrubbing through 4K works fine, but I simply can't do a smooth playback and due to this I can't do a frame-acurate-editing), once we had done a pre-edit and importing this into Redcine-x.

Unfortunatly this seems not to work,
please let me know, in case somebody worked it out!
(I end up with "OFFLINE"-clips in Redcine..!)

I understand Edius just started with r3d-support and also my PC-specs are a little lousy, but it will be amazing once 4k can be edited the way I am used to it, natively..!

Thoughts are very welcome,
I might still be missing something,
some possible solutions too.

Thanks..!