E5 and Storm2

[Case]

Sorry if this has been posted already, but I didn't see it after a pretty thorough search.

I'm wondering if the Storm2 card will function with Edius 5? I understand that it isn't "supported," but we all remember how long the venerable old RexRT card worked with Edius despite not being supported (up through 3x if I remember right).

We have our dual quad core NX machine, but we also have a couple of older Storm systems running Edius 4x. We still like to run SD work through these things, and they help us multi-task a lot with the little side jobs that come through here constantly, and our secondary businesses. The old Storm systems make us money, and I'd like to milk 'em a little further.

[GrassValley_KH]

They won't work with v5. You're free to run v4.61 with them from here to the end of time, but that's as far as it goes.

[Case]

Thanks for the reply, even though it isn't what I wanted to hear.

Oh well...You can be sure that it will be used as long as the old cash cow gives milk.

We're rapidly moving into HD with most of our "regular work", so I guess another new workstation is probably in our relatively near future anyway.

Thanks again

[GrassValley_CT]

The current upgrade path for the new HDStorm would be a good opportunity if your thinking of a new system.

Upgrade Info - http://desktop.thomsongrassvalley.co...s/upgrades.php

plus you get to keep your DVStorm! Can't be bad :0)

[Alade]

Inhave a quetion....what differences, and benefits does the HDStorm has over the NX card, if there is any?........I am getting an NX card soon, and want to know if it will come with Edius 5

[SRsupport]

HDMI, on board HQ chip, HD component I/O
One card = One slot

[DigitalDave]

But just to be clear, the fact that HQ is on a chip is NOT going to give any extra RT.

[Slamaxe]

They won't work with v5. You're free to run v4.61 with them from here to the end of time, but that's as far as it goes.

I find this to be pretty poor support for an existing and viable hardware device. We have the DV Storm and use it for it's analog/DV input as well as for the video out to our monitors. Suddenly, after installing V5, we have no external monitors.

We have zero interest in HD as all of our product goes directly to SD DVD. You can bet we won't drop almost a grand to "Upgrade" to a card we can't use. Going back to V4.6 simply deprives us of the new features of V5.

I'm one of those guys who started with Canopus back in the DV REX days and who purchased all your upgrades. Now you pretty much want to force us to toss out our hardware in favor of a standard that we literally have no use for.

Come on guys... lets see some drivers that at least allow us to use the video out on the Storm....

Ron Hood

[DigitalDave]

I find this to be pretty poor support for an existing and viable hardware device. We have the DV Storm and use it for it's analog/DV input as well as for the video out to our monitors. Suddenly, after installing V5, we have no external monitors.

We have zero interest in HD as all of our product goes directly to SD DVD. You can bet we won't drop almost a grand to "Upgrade" to a card we can't use. Going back to V4.6 simply deprives us of the new features of V5.

I'm one of those guys who started with Canopus back in the DV REX days and who purchased all your upgrades. Now you pretty much want to force us to toss out our hardware in favor of a standard that we literally have no use for.

Come on guys... lets see some drivers that at least allow us to use the video out on the Storm....

Ron Hood

Oh do get a life and stop whinging. Storm has been legacy for 2 years at least - KH had stated here that it would NOT be supported in 5 so it is not a surprise. Now if you were bemoaning the bugs in 4.6 that seem abandoned you might get some sympathy. In fact some could not get Storm to work with 4.5* onwards in some boxes. Use 3* or 4* and just accept that for 5, which in real terms, if you already have the Broadcast upgrade, seems to offer not much more than Vista support....requires PC3 to get elementary streams etc it is not going to work. 6 years of Storm here so reckon I had my moneys worth if I had to dump it now but it continues to run with 3.6 and 4.6 whilst NXe can be used with 4.6 and 5* if required.
DD

[Romigo]

I agree with Slamaxe.

In wedding busines here prices are very low. People dont have BD players. They are not willing to spent more money for wedding in HD.

The same situation is in Local News Production.
We have good expensive SD cameras and also we cant brodcast now in HD for now. So its not good time to move towards HD in small city News production. I think it will not change here for 2-3 years. We are not America or Japan.

So all the work is made still in SD. And I think it will take2-3 years to be economically efficient.

We have 8 DVSTORM cards in our studio. To change them at once is a great amount of money.

So if you dont write drivers for EDIUS 5 . We have to stay with 4.62. And we cant follow You i progress at least 2-3 years.

For me Its VERY SAD !!!! Because I´m with You since DVRAPTOR and Edit 1 time (10 years ???)
Please make DVSTORM available at least for SD preview in EDIUS 5.

Its not wise to force customers to stay behind.

Roman

[Slamaxe]

Thank you Romigo!

It must be that time of the month for Digital Dave. In addition to his personal attack he has difficulty spelling.

I don't live on this forum. I work for a living producing videos so I don't have time to pay attention to all the details here.

The Canopus product is the best we have. We have Avid, Premiere, Vegas and a number of other things we keep up to date as well as a number of lesser programs we toy with. Despite it's faults Edius 4.xx has been great. There have been a few odd things but we get'er done on Edius.

The Storm works great and is part of the system. I don't care if it is "legacy" it works and that is a good enough reason to keep it. I don't know how many others like us there are out there but I can say with certainty that this will effect every Storm owner.

Times have changed. We used to be able to toss things aside because there was a newer technology. Waste can no longer be part of our lives. Dropping Storm is a waste.

What makes it worse is that the new card doesn't offer any advantages that offset the cost of the unit. That is a significant issue.

Now that I have V5 there is no card upgrade that Canopus offers that makes financial sense.

Now I have a problem... I need to run my editing monitor so I can see what I am actually outputting, not the display on the computer monitor....

Anyone have a suggestion?

(Not you Dave... Get a cup of coffee first)

Ron

[STORMDAVE]

Guys, this talk always comes up.

If you look at any other company (*cough* Matrox) you'll see they drop support quickly on their legacy products.

Just imagine, the Rex was supported for what 10 years??? That's a looooooooong time in the computer industry.

The Storm was a great card, and I had 2 in the past and now have 1. You don't see me complaining. It had to happen sooner or later.

Time for you guys to invest in an HDSTORM. They are giving $300 off and you can keep your Storm.

If you can't upgrade, stick with 4.61.

Also HDSTORM is a new piece of hardware with the Canopus HQ chip on board and supports component IN (HD & SD) not to mention HDMI for previewing and input.

If you REALLY want to use EDIUS5 and do not want hardware, then use OHCI and enjoy the 1 frame lag when you scrub :)

[SoundFreak]

This is an un-avoidable issue here, there will be a time that aging hardware will not work anymore with latest software, just face it, fact of life.
But it has yet to be determent what age is aging !

At work I use a DVStorm2 with Edius 4.61, it runs like a train, and no stopping it either, the system is a aging 2 units 2.8 Ghz single core Xeon's with HT and lots of E-IDE drives, great for SD work now & many years to come.

At home I'm using a bit newer system see my spec's below, which uses the NX card, and soon Edius 5.x, when the time comes that the NX is not supported anymore by Edius x.x, it's time to leave the system the way it is, but still use it until it dies.

And don't say what to do with the software, I also still have Windows, 3.11 ~ 95 ~ 98 ~ 2000 & XP in my drawer.

When the time comes that the NX is not working with Edius anymore it's time to upgrade the ENTIRE HARDWARE, and you should do the same for the Storm system now !

Just my 2 Cents .................

[gameroja]

Is HDStorm an advantage? For who?

One question: will it be possible to edit with Edius5 having a Storm, even if I choose for HD capture and project setting the OHCI option?.
I hope so, or for the moment I will not upgrade to HDStorm: it hasn't firewire in/out or video-out to an analog monitor. I would keep my Storm and Edius 4.61 still I can. For me this could be a big error to leave apart all the Storm users, or better, all the people who already uses DV material. Even if I edit also in HD I have a lot of DV video and I want to have the possibility to edit it. More than 10 years with Canopus and now I'm really dissapointed.

[GrassValley_BH]

Guys, your current hardware is working in the environment it's working in. It likely has far more capabilities now than when you initially purchased it.

However, there comes a time when we need to focus on the new stuff. If everyone shot productions geared toward good viewing on black-and-white televisions, we'd have an awfully subdued production and some really odd ones too.

Continue using what you have. I'm sure you have upgraded CPUs and hard drives. The old CPU and hard drive are still viable - it's no different from your NLE hardware. At some point it's time to upgrade.