Video Training question

[mike0130]

Dear GrassValley,
From my point of view, you failed, trying to provide training videos for current Edius 4.5x- 4.6x version. You made some videos only about basics, which brings a lot of simple questions from users. Good training may be heplfull to them, it may answer their questions- I am talking about editing strategy, tips and tricks, working with effects, transitions, PIP, 3D PIP, exporting, working with another software, such as AfterEffects etc.
There is plenty of time for you before new version of Edius will come (when you said about 2-nd halth of the year, I understood it as the end of december), are you going to prepare some training for it? Will it be REAL training this time? Are you going to ask Edius users what they will like to see in it before you make those videos ?
Thank you
mike

[SoundFreak]

You made some videos only about basics.
There is plenty of time for you before new version of Edius will come, are you going to prepare some training for it? Will it be REAL training this time? Are you going to ask Edius users what they will like to see in it before you make those videos ?
Thank you
mike

This will become a very interesting thread (if not closed)

[GrassValley_BH]

While it's a nice idea, specialized training for particular operations and tasks is usually enters the realm of paid training. In fact, in the TGV world, all training is normally a paid service. We have a training division that does this.

What comes "in the box" (whether manual, video or otherwise) covers introductory topics, knowing the tool, and performing basic functions. There may be some tips and tricks there as well, but you shouldn't buy a hammer expecting instructions on how to build a wooden go-cart with it. That's where user contributions and third-party training comes in.

It may seem like a lot of time, but it's really not. Writing manuals, finalizing software and creating training takes a lot of time. Training and manuals are the toughest as they require the software to be in a feature-stable state, otherwise the material is invalidated.

We do our best, but we make no promises.

[SoundFreak]

We do our best, but we make no promises.

That's all the promise we need.

[GrassValley_BH]

Let me also add that training is on our minds... it's just a bit tricky given the corporate structure.

[Jerry]

Let me also add that training is on our minds... it's just a bit tricky given the corporate structure.

I also would not expect training for using a program that GV does not make.
It is your choice to use whatever 3rd party software you choose.
I do not expect GV to give me 'editing strategy' lessons. I just expect basic instructions on fixes and updates for any current or new release.
Education is my responsibility. Not GV's.

By the way, Mike Downey has a very nice training video. http://www.classondemand.net/ClassOn...g/edius45.aspx 'you still owe me that pizza Mike'
This does not teach you to edit, but rather teaches you how to edit with Edius.

I look at it this way: If I buy a car, I do not expect the car manufacturer to teach me to drive. The instruction booklet that comes with that car details the features and how to operate them. Basic knowledge and how to's of driving is my responsibility.

[GrassValley_BH]

I look at it this way: If I buy a car, I do not expect the car manufacturer to teach me to drive. The instruction booklet that comes with that car details the features and how to operate them. Basic knowledge and how to's of driving rules is my responsibility.

And that's why professional editors (and drivers) get paid for doing what they do, instead of everyone just saying "Hey, that's easy, I can do that" and doing it themselves.

[Jerry]

And that's why professional editors (and drivers) get paid for doing what they do, instead of everyone just saying "Hey, that's easy, I can do that" and doing it themselves.

In the wild, I believe that is called 'culling' of the population.

All that being said, If you offered a day of training in my area, or somewhere nearby, I would gladly pay for that experience. I do it all the time for Photoshop tours.
The more you can learn the easier and better you can become at working any program.

[SRsupport]

I agree with Jerry the art of editing is not something GV should teach.
There are schools , media institutes who teach you the principle of editing and telling the story. One you get that you basically can achieve what you want after just getting how the program works.

Teaching you how to create an effect or a transition?

Wow.

Would you ask Sony or ikegami to teach you how to shoot? Which mattebox to use and which glass filters you need to create effects?

I don't get.

One thing I would agree on is that Edius needs better manuals and help files.

Hello is that Ford motor corp ? I just bought one of your cars can you teach me how to drive it? hehe

[Jerry]

I agree with Jerry the art of editing is not something GV should teach.
There are schools , media institutes who teach you the principle of editing and telling the story. One you get that you basically can achieve what you want after just getting how the program works.

Teaching you how to create an effect or a transition?

Wow.

Would you ask Sony or ikegami to teach you how to shoot? Which mattebox to use and which glass filters you need to create effects?

I don't get.

Steve,
I know I am going to get blasted for this but here goes.
I have noticed a growing trend, in this forum and others, towards just being plain lazy. Instead of having a basic grasp of what you are asking, a lot of new posters are just wanting to have everything spelled out for them.

Helping you to understand the answer to a question is one thing. Having to tell you everything and every step that you need to take to accomplish your final result, well I just don't get it. I always learn better by doing. I can sit in a classroom all day and pick up tricks, but until I actually get onto my system and try these things it just doesn't sink in. Maybe it's an age thing. I'm 55, and some days I actually feel that old.

Don't get me wrong, I am willing to help out anyone with a valid question that I can answer.
I'm just a little more hesitant to help out when I am supposed to tell you how to pick the parts to your computer, how to build your computer, how to install your software, and how to use Edius.
I hope I am wrong about this.....

[SRsupport]

That is what I find really interesting.
You know you can experiment, try things. You can't break it.

When I bought version 1 of Edius . I cleared my mind kept the manual closed captured some footage and started editing clicking left and right.
I knew which things I wanted to achieve. After 2 days I opened the manual and saw that I could do thing that where not in there.

There where also thing I could achieve easier. But I had discovered more then one way to achieve something.

When one of our Editors joined us she used to cut on Discreet Edit.
I fired up Edius and asked here if I should run here trough the application. She said no asked me the shortcut key card and spend a day with Edius.
next day she had a few questions.
But she could achieve stuff because the basic editing things don't change.
Btw she fell in love with Edius and never asked me about transitions or effects.

[GrassValley_BH]

There are people who look before asking, and those who ask before looking. I prefer the former to the latter.

That said, I do understand the value of "starter" training. Cool things you can do that gives you idea and hopefully spurs you to play even more. Sometimes this just takes a cool video that someone's made using (insert name of tool here).

Things like Studio Daily's Train Up column are great for this.

[SRsupport]

That' cool with me Brandon :)

But I prefer to know the app instead of effects that are chewed for others to swallow. Once you know the app you will see that possibilties are endless.
So I agree starter training yes. But that is allready done by Mike. :)

Experiment, Experiment is the Key. Put your brain in gear.
We don't want every video to look like the one before. hehe

[GrassValley_BH]

Very true. There's no substitute for experience.

And now we're a bit off topic and I think I've answered the OP's question... so I'm closing this one out.