Two different displays

[GrassValley_BH]

HDMI, like DVI, supports both computer type and video type signals.

However, not all devices with HDMI or DVI connectors support both types of signals.
Video type RGB signals are sometimes called Video GBR, while the YCbCr version is called Component (it's still digital) or YCbCr.

[Philip]

Can't help you in the US. These cards are great but two generations old in Oz. They shouldn't be anywhere near $US200. Do a Google.

I googled and got all cards over $200. It appears to be a pretty high end graphics card. Maybe Oz is way ahead of us in technology. :-)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=geforce+7950gt

[redgum]

Can you point me to the GeForce card you are mentioning for $80? I have looked online at a few computer stores and the only one I can find is the 7950GT for $200+ (USD). I may be upgrading some components soon and this would be a good option for me. For event work like the majority of my stuff setting up a second display for monitoring off the graphics card would be fine for me.

Can't help you in the US. These cards are great but two generations old in Oz. They shouldn't be anywhere near $US200. Do a Google.

[Ron Evans]

Have to make a correction. The Palit HD3850 I have in my new computer has HDMI and the Palit in my old computer has the S-Video connector. Very confusing having two computers side by side with KVM and editing on both!!! New computer, Dell 24 and Philips, second computer Philips and JVC I'Art monitor ( connected to S-Video and via DVRaptor RT2 composite). Before I got the new computer the Dell was also connected!!!

Ron Evans

[Ron Evans]

No I am not using HDMI at the moment as the second monitor is shared with my other computer and KVM is only VGA. My Christmas present will be another TV/monitor with HDMI. Have only just got this new computer working in the last couple of months and wanted to provide for the future a little. I am assuming it will just extend desktop as normal.

Ron Evans

[Philip]

My Palit HD3850 is $110 Canadian and has DVI, VGA, S-video and HDMI. Works great. I have two monitors as described earlier, a Dell 24" and Philips 19". Desktop is spread over the two monitors. The Dell is the better monitor but I have the Philips also connected through a KVM to another computer I use for audio editing. Normal editing is with Preview on the Philips and timeline on the Dell. If I want to watch for a longer more critical time I just drag the preview monitor over to the Dell.

Ron Evans

So you are not using the HDMI output on the card? I have a 22" widescreen that I use for editing and like it. If I got one of these cards could I hook an HDTV to it via HDMI and have it still spread my screen over both monitors? Or would the HDMI output just show my overlay like an output monitor?

I could live with either way.

[Ron Evans]

My Palit HD3850 is $110 Canadian and has DVI, VGA, and HDMI. Works great. I have two monitors as described earlier, a Dell 24" and Philips 19". Desktop is spread over the two monitors. The Dell is the better monitor but I have the Philips also connected through a KVM to another computer I use for audio editing. Normal editing is with Preview on the Philips and timeline on the Dell. If I want to watch for a longer more critical time I just drag the preview monitor over to the Dell.

Ron Evans

[Philip]

Hi Ron,
There are a number of nVidia cards such as Geoforce 7950 for about $80

Can you point me to the GeForce card you are mentioning for $80? I have looked online at a few computer stores and the only one I can find is the 7950GT for $200+ (USD). I may be upgrading some components soon and this would be a good option for me. For event work like the majority of my stuff setting up a second display for monitoring off the graphics card would be fine for me.

[Ron Evans]

Hi Ron,
I understand and appreciate your work flow but I need to see the end product as I work. And yes, video cards put out a component signal as does the NX, not a DVI/HDMI computer signal - hence they are a better reference point.
With doco work it would be impossible to wait six weeks to see if your efforts are correct and far to costly to constantly produce Blu-ray discs to make that judgement.
I was only suggesting a practical and cost effective way to achieve a good outcome.

HDMI is not a computer signal it is the new all digital signal for HD interconnect on all the new TV's and players. It is going to be a cleaner signal than component can deliver as there are no analogue conversions involved. HDMI out to a HD TV is what the audience will see from a final BluRay disc. Consumer connection will be HDMI and professional will be HD-SDI for the all digital domain. IF you are running component out to a CRT monitor it will not be what the audience will see. They will have an LCD or Plasma and play through a BluRay player ( there isn't an option anymore). So watching your output on an LCD TV over HDMI is closest to how the audience will see the finished product. IF you are talking SD then it doesn't matter, though likely the playback in the future will also be over HDMI from an upscaling DVD player to an LCD.
I am still puzzled about what you are not seeing during your editing. The only issue would be colour correction for which you really need a calibrated TV/monitor. Am I missing something? Preview on my 24" LCD monitor( 1920x1200) is pretty good for normal editing and I can playback over the network to the PS3 at any time and watch on my Plasma so there is no waiting.
Ron Evans

[redgum]

Hi Ron,
I understand and appreciate your work flow but I need to see the end product as I work. And yes, video cards put out a component signal as does the NX, not a DVI/HDMI computer signal - hence they are a better reference point.
With doco work it would be impossible to wait six weeks to see if your efforts are correct and far to costly to constantly produce Blu-ray discs to make that judgement.
I was only suggesting a practical and cost effective way to achieve a good outcome.

[Ron Evans]

Redgum
I don't have NX hardware just use PC monitors. I have a Palit HD3850 in my PC with a HDMI out so can monitor HD externally too. When I replace my current second monitor I will do so with a combined TV and PC monitor with HDMI. I still prefer to wait and give my final judgment when I watch on my Plasma from PS3 over network from my PC or now on BluRay. For SD I have DVRaptor RT2 so monitor on my JVC i'Art TV. The Palit will also output S video to the JVC too. All my projects are multicam so the preview monitor is used all the time for selection or switching back and for between multicam and normal modes, it is used for colour picker etc so is for me a vital part of the process. Maybe someone with NX could answer but I believe one difference may be that with the video cards one is just extending what would be the desktop but the NX just has the video just like the DVRaptor for SD?

Ron Evans

[redgum]

Hi Ron,
Without arguing the merits of the NX card there are a number of solutions for monitoring HD on an external monitor. There are a number of nVidia cards such as Geoforce 7950 for about $80 and the nVidia Quadro cards for about $200 that can put out HD from the timeline via component. This picture is superior to any that may be generated on a single or dual computer screen and if attached to an LCD with a suitable resolution can bring spectacular outcomes.

[Ron Evans]

What do you achieve with this setup? Both preview and Monitor windows display on external LCD and you rarely use them together.

Unless you have NX hardware and an external HD monitor the only way to monitor HD is on the preview monitor. I do the same as Ludde.

Ron Evans

[redgum]

What do you achieve with this setup? Both preview and Monitor windows display on external LCD and you rarely use them together.

[Ludde]

Sort of..I have the timeline om one display, and the record/capture window on another display. What I do is simply choose single view from edius and move the edius display window to your other display, then save the window layout