Laying HDV back to tape on Sony Z1

[tarkken]

I was going to try to record back to the Sony Z1 from the timeline via firewire. I can capture no problem, but when I place the timeline settings to 1440 HDV, I just get a blue screen on the Z1 (I'm in VCR mode).

If I change the project settings to SD, the picture shows up in the Z1. If I go back to HDV, it goes blue. What's the trick or recommended cam settings to getting HDV footage back to HDV tape from the timeline?

Thanks very much.

[vienna1944er]

http://ediusforum.grassvalley.com/forum/showthread.php?t=587

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from Zorro

I would suggest the following:

1. Render the timeline using SpeedEncoder

2. Close Edius

3. Check everything in the HC1 menu which could prevent the camera from recording HDV

4. Connect the camera to your firewire (editing card) port

5. Does Windows recognize the camera? (bell sound, device manager)?

6. Does the HC1 display say 1080i?

7. Start TS Writer

8. Load the generated *.m2t file

9. Export

[syqkaduna]

Note

EDIUS only support *.m2t HDV clips go back to the CAM by "TS Writer" tool. You can do it.

[bhmm9999]

I had the exact same situation, NX, HVRZ1, etc. Got the same results and asked same question on forum.

My comment...

Why was I under the mistaken impression all this time that Edius NX with the Expansion kit would allow me to edit and then record output to HDV in realtime??

It took this long to realize because until recently my exposure was limited to HDV in--DV 16X9 DVD--out. Of course, I expected this would be a rendering process.

But, I thought marketing realtime "as in preview only" was the kind of thing Matrox, Final Cut, Premiere and others did. Not my beloved Canopus.

Is there any editing product doing true realtime output to HDV from the timeline, or is this standard?

I understand Canopus offers great HD realtime advantages such as mulitple layers and previews in realtime, but if you don't need a bunch of layers, maybe NX hardware isn't so relevant.

To be honest, I'm a Canopus reseller and I'm needing some sales benefits relative to the competition to help my customer make Edius NX upgrade decisions.

Thanks.

Bob Hatton
MarComm Media

[Aristotelis]

bhm9999 the NX board will not help your customer do that task faster...

Not so relevant but I need to ask:
We have an HD system that can output HD-SDI. If we connect that output to an ADVC HDM1 and then send the firewire to an HDV camera will we able to print to tape in Real Time??

[Khoi Pham]

bhm9999 the NX board will not help your customer do that task faster...

Not so relevant but I need to ask:
We have an HD system that can output HD-SDI. If we connect that output to an ADVC HDM1 and then send the firewire to an HDV camera will we able to print to tape in Real Time??

If the ADVC HDM1 convert HD to HDV in realtime then there should be no problem cuz I dub HDV from camera to camera before.

[Raymond]

No, HDV is a transport stream (M2T), but you can render it really fast using speed encoder on a dual quadcore faster than realtime rendering.

[Zorro]

Is there any editing product doing true realtime output to HDV from the timeline, or is this standard?

No NLE that I know of, even Avid and FCP have to render first. Depending on your output you might use one of those standalone converters:

1. Canopus ADVC-HDM1

http://www.canopus.com/products/ADVCHDM1/index.php?lang=EN

Input is HD-SDI, so you would need an EdiusHD turnkey.

2. Edirol VC-300HD

http://www.edirol.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=222&Itemid=424

Don't know the US pricing but here in Europe it's EUR 7.500 plus tax.

[GrassValley_KH]

To be honest, I'm a Canopus reseller and I'm needing some sales benefits relative to the competition to help my customer make Edius NX upgrade decisions.

It's the full-res monitor output that would be the biggest advantage in the HD world - it's no use editing content with sole reliance on a tiny preview screen within the interface, in comparison to a nice HD monitor sitting alongside your edit suite. WYSIWYG editing arguably does make the edit process faster.

Not so relevant but I need to ask:
We have an HD system that can output HD-SDI. If we connect that output to an ADVC HDM1 and then send the firewire to an HDV camera will we able to print to tape in Real Time??

You can, but only to certain HDV formats. Check the specs page for the ADVCHDM1 for details on what HDV formats and resolutions can be generated in realtime.

[Rusty]

I'm glad PCE2 works to create .mt2 as it should.

[Bluetongue]

Before sending back to the Z1 or FX make sure the HDV down convert on the camera has not been set to "ON" in the menu section where you set HDV or DV Recording. This seems to be the case as you can play back to the camera after changing to SD mode, if the Down convert is on the camera will only accept SD footage ie AVI files.
When I first became involved with EDIUS the instructions on the EDIUS site were to render the timeline to a HDV transport file open the "MPEG TS Witer" add the files and write to the camera. The timeline does not play to the firewire when in HDV mode so I cannot see how it can write to the camera even if the transport stream is on the timeline, plays back rather jerkily on the my machine.
Perhaps this ability to write to tape from the timeline needs to be grayed out when in HDV mode.
Regards Barry