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    I am bout to start edidin material in HDCAM full 4:4:4 uncompressed HD, from HDCAM SR.
    What do i need to have as system spec to do this online in full quality.

    Plise help me on this.

    My best
    Johannes
    Last edited by johannesj; 07-01-2008, 06:25 PM.
    JoiCam´s
    Edit station1: i7 6700K 4 ghz, 32gb ram, Edius 9 Workgroup, Davinci Resolve studio 16, 8GB GPU & Intensity Pro 4K
    2: 17" Laptop i7 w: Edius 9 Workgroup
    3: HPxw8600 dual 3ghz Xeon, STORM 3G, , Edius 7, 32 GB ram.
    4: Edius 7, Supermicro x7da8 dual 3ghz Xeon.
    Audio: Protools & Nuendo, M-Audio and Presonus interfaces, control surfaces and preamps, dual 3ghz Xeon. 16gb Ram.
    Studio monitoring: Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and Mackie HR824 Spk. Panasonic surround system.
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    Originally posted by johannesj View Post
    I am bout to start edidin material in HDCAM full 4:4:4 uncompressed HD, from HDCAM SR.
    What do i need to have as system spec to do this online in full quality.

    Plise help me on this.

    My best
    Johannes
    First off will those 2-2tb raids that you have do a sustained 400mb/s throughput ? That would be a starting point. Even at that speed you will be lucky to get 1 maybe 2 layers to playback. Fibre channel would be something to look into as well. Either a system such as Anton's (with a Xena 2k or BM
    multibridge eclipse) or a Mac Pro fully loaded, including a Kona 3 card would be the minimum...I would go with.

    I don't know if GV has a product that will do this. KH would be able to answer that question.
    You might want to visit the Cow forum for other answers regarding your quandry. This thread will probably be closed due to it's off topic content.
    Jerry
    Six Gill DV
    www.sgdvtutorials.com
    If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

    Vistitle YouTube Channel
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    Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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    • #3
      There's not a lot on offer for this particular task. While our hardware boards can capture uncompressed, the edit systems themselves (turnkeys) are not really specced for uncompressed workflows out-of-the-box.

      EDIUS itself can edit uncompressed on the right system, bearing in mind that all processing is done in 8-bit.

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      • #4
        Thanks fore youre answere.
        I did send Anton massage on this.
        But i did also ask him bout this, you mide have the anwere on that.
        If the way is offline, and after i finish ediding the movie ill still need to collorcorrect and more, what kinde of system do i need to use to import the material in HDCAM full 4:4:4 uncompressed HD from the SR. And then play out the final project to the SR in same quality.
        it is ok if i need to render first.

        I do not thing this is off topic, if i need something else to import (capture) the material and play back the final project to HDCAM using another product, ill still be ediding the film in Edius, like allways. :)

        Thanks and my best
        Johannes
        Last edited by johannesj; 07-01-2008, 11:54 PM.
        JoiCam´s
        Edit station1: i7 6700K 4 ghz, 32gb ram, Edius 9 Workgroup, Davinci Resolve studio 16, 8GB GPU & Intensity Pro 4K
        2: 17" Laptop i7 w: Edius 9 Workgroup
        3: HPxw8600 dual 3ghz Xeon, STORM 3G, , Edius 7, 32 GB ram.
        4: Edius 7, Supermicro x7da8 dual 3ghz Xeon.
        Audio: Protools & Nuendo, M-Audio and Presonus interfaces, control surfaces and preamps, dual 3ghz Xeon. 16gb Ram.
        Studio monitoring: Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and Mackie HR824 Spk. Panasonic surround system.
        And more

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        • #5
          Looks like you need EDIUS HD which has HD-SDI...but I believe HDCAM SR requires a dual link HD-SDI connection, afaik, and there is no GV product that does this. You might want to take a look at the Black Magic Decklink HD Extreme, capture the clips then edit those files in EDIUS....then when it's time to dump back to tape, export from EDIUS and go out via HD-SDI with the preffered software that works with the BM card.

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          • #6
            GV does not have an Edius related product that can do uncompressed HD in 10 bit

            I am not sure who does, I never looked into it
            Anton Strauss
            Antons Video Productions - Sydney

            EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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            • #7
              Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post

              I am not sure who does, I never looked into it
              Lot's do :)

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              • #8
                Hi there
                Thanks for all your help on this.

                You are right the HDCAM SR requires a dual link HD-SDI.
                I think Decklink HD Extreme does not give me dual link, but the Decklink HD pro does, if i am right.

                Sorry bout this, but i have question´s on an other project there ill be starting soon.
                That material is captured with sony´s hdcam 750 cameras.
                This is possible a stupid question, but do i need the HDCAM SR deck to capture the material in the best possible quality from those cameras ?
                Do i need dual link to do that ?

                Sorry but usaly i just do the filming and ediding, not the transfere of the material.
                But now i am thinging of taking the transfere in my own hands for both online and offline ediding.
                It is kosting lot of time to get this service from somwere else.
                I just wana start the project and finish it in my own studio, all the way if i can.

                Other wice i need to send the material cross the country, have it sent back for ofline ediding, go over there for an online work, collorcorrection and more.

                Thanks so much for your time.

                All my best
                Johannes
                JoiCam´s
                Edit station1: i7 6700K 4 ghz, 32gb ram, Edius 9 Workgroup, Davinci Resolve studio 16, 8GB GPU & Intensity Pro 4K
                2: 17" Laptop i7 w: Edius 9 Workgroup
                3: HPxw8600 dual 3ghz Xeon, STORM 3G, , Edius 7, 32 GB ram.
                4: Edius 7, Supermicro x7da8 dual 3ghz Xeon.
                Audio: Protools & Nuendo, M-Audio and Presonus interfaces, control surfaces and preamps, dual 3ghz Xeon. 16gb Ram.
                Studio monitoring: Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and Mackie HR824 Spk. Panasonic surround system.
                And more

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                • #9
                  what do Sony recommend?
                  Anton Strauss
                  Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                  EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                  • #10
                    Thanks Anton

                    This show´s that sometimes it´s a good thing to do to sit down and try to think.
                    :)
                    Ill mail them and ask !!!!

                    My best
                    Johannes
                    JoiCam´s
                    Edit station1: i7 6700K 4 ghz, 32gb ram, Edius 9 Workgroup, Davinci Resolve studio 16, 8GB GPU & Intensity Pro 4K
                    2: 17" Laptop i7 w: Edius 9 Workgroup
                    3: HPxw8600 dual 3ghz Xeon, STORM 3G, , Edius 7, 32 GB ram.
                    4: Edius 7, Supermicro x7da8 dual 3ghz Xeon.
                    Audio: Protools & Nuendo, M-Audio and Presonus interfaces, control surfaces and preamps, dual 3ghz Xeon. 16gb Ram.
                    Studio monitoring: Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and Mackie HR824 Spk. Panasonic surround system.
                    And more

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                    • #11
                      The camera should have HD-SDI (even if dual link if it supports 4:4:4 HDCAM SR) so you don't need an expensive deck to capture from. However on such an expensive camera, you will be wasting the camera head, unless it's a rental, you shouldn't care about it much.

                      And you are right you need HD Pro for dual link SDI, my mistake. It is only $200 more anyways.

                      I have a lowly Intensity Pro and the Black Magic 10 bit files work in EDIUS without a problem.

                      Dual Link is for 4:4:4 captures (it requires double the datarate of regular HD-SDI, so 2 BNC ports).

                      Some info to read up on:

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCAM_SR#HDCAM_SR
                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_SDI

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                      • #12
                        Hi there Dave and thanks for the info.

                        I did check wikipedia for info and did see that:
                        SMPTE 292M HD-SDI 720p, 1080i is 1.485 Gbit/s. 1.485/1.001 Gbit/s.
                        so MB will do the capture.
                        but:
                        1. if i have HDBX1000 and capture the material from sony hdcam 750 in uncompressed with HD-SDI do i get the best picture quality from that material ? i think im right on that is 8bit.
                        2. What hd raid settup will i need to use if i wana capture and edid online ? 4, 6 or 8 sata 300 drive raid-0 (Not Fibre channel) ?
                        or
                        3. do i need Fibre channel raid to have this working at all ?
                        4. how much space does 1oh uncompressed HD using SMPTE 292M HD-SDI 1080i 1.485 Gbit/s 10bit from HDCAM take on harddisk ?

                        The system will be: HP-xw8600 dual Quad Core 3ghz Xeon, 4gb ram.


                        Thanks for all your help
                        My best regard to you all
                        Johannes
                        JoiCam´s
                        Edit station1: i7 6700K 4 ghz, 32gb ram, Edius 9 Workgroup, Davinci Resolve studio 16, 8GB GPU & Intensity Pro 4K
                        2: 17" Laptop i7 w: Edius 9 Workgroup
                        3: HPxw8600 dual 3ghz Xeon, STORM 3G, , Edius 7, 32 GB ram.
                        4: Edius 7, Supermicro x7da8 dual 3ghz Xeon.
                        Audio: Protools & Nuendo, M-Audio and Presonus interfaces, control surfaces and preamps, dual 3ghz Xeon. 16gb Ram.
                        Studio monitoring: Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and Mackie HR824 Spk. Panasonic surround system.
                        And more

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                        • #13
                          by the way, will there be Edius products that will be able to edit and export in 10bit in the nere future.
                          If not hardwere, then softwere ?
                          and how a bout the dual link / 3 Gbit/s / HD-SDI ?

                          Mb
                          Johannes
                          Last edited by johannesj; 07-02-2008, 02:47 PM.
                          JoiCam´s
                          Edit station1: i7 6700K 4 ghz, 32gb ram, Edius 9 Workgroup, Davinci Resolve studio 16, 8GB GPU & Intensity Pro 4K
                          2: 17" Laptop i7 w: Edius 9 Workgroup
                          3: HPxw8600 dual 3ghz Xeon, STORM 3G, , Edius 7, 32 GB ram.
                          4: Edius 7, Supermicro x7da8 dual 3ghz Xeon.
                          Audio: Protools & Nuendo, M-Audio and Presonus interfaces, control surfaces and preamps, dual 3ghz Xeon. 16gb Ram.
                          Studio monitoring: Mackie 1402-VLZ Pro mixer and Mackie HR824 Spk. Panasonic surround system.
                          And more

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                          • #14
                            You never stated as to your raid's ability to handle the throughput in 10bit 4:4:4 uncompressed. If they can't, this is all speculation.
                            I would either go with the Eclipse Extreme or just the Multibridge . It, as well as the new HD exteme, have 3gb ability which will allow 4:4:4 dual link over 1 connection. Go to the site to get a better definition of how it works. I also like the KONA 3 card, if you are using a Mac.

                            Your original post stated that you wanted to edit uncompressed 10bit 4:4:4.
                            Edius does not do that. That is why I stated it might be considered off topic.
                            If you are Editing with Edius in 8bit uncompressed, then outputting to 10bit,
                            The Edius HD setup would work for you. But for the price, there is newer technology out there for doing what you want to do.

                            In either situation, you will need some honkin raids to push this stuff around.
                            I know, I usually edit with 8bit uncompressed from my Decklink card.
                            Jerry
                            Six Gill DV
                            www.sgdvtutorials.com
                            If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

                            Vistitle YouTube Channel
                            https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

                            Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
                            http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


                            Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, Corsair H110, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, HD Spark, Intensity Shuttle, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Benq 27 and Hanns-G 28 monitors, CC 2019, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
                            Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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                            • #15
                              Also johannesj note that EDIUS is only 8bit and 4:2:2 so you will lose color information. Maybe a future version of EDIUS will support 10bit 4:4:4, it is a necessity for higher end filmmakers.

                              If you don't mind that you might just use EDIUS HD to capture 8bit 4:2:2 to Canopus HQ codec from the camera, that is if it allows 4:2:2 output from the HD-SDI connection, which it should. Give it a try.

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