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  • AJL14
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    Rusty, etc......

    Edited with EDIUS set to the multi-cam mode, one of the Dance Numbers (there were 4 total) shot on the SR-12 and (4 separate shoots with one camera) is now posted in HD on Vimeo.

    http://www.vimeo.com/1276176

    Cheers,
    Alan
    Last edited by AJL14; 07-03-2008, 11:40 PM. Reason: Wrong web address

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  • GrassValley_MD
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    Originally posted by AJL14 View Post
    Thanks Ron. My error! As stated in the most recent specs, you are absolutely correct: PH mode (average 21 Mbps/Max 24Mbps), HA mode (approx.17 Mbps), HG mode (approx.13 Mbps) and HE mode (approx. 6 Mbps). Thanks for the correction.
    Cheers,
    Alan

    Before I close this thread I can tell you I saw the Panasonic camera at Infocom and it was very nice. The picture quality next to HDV (Do not know from what camera) was pretty big!

    It takes forever to transdcode though as this format was really never intended for editing.

    I took several shots to HQ and there did not seem to be any quality hits. The trancode was about 2 - 2.5 to 1.


    Now, with all that said lets try and keep this EDIUS related ok :)


    Mike

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  • drgagx
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    It seems that the forthcoming Panasonic HS-100 will still be at 17Mbps, not the 22Mbps of the HMC150 as I had hoped. Ease of use when editing AVCHD is, obviously, still an issue. My hope is that the next generation of Edius products will offer something to provide it.

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  • AJL14
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    Ron....

    Thanks Ron. My error! As stated in the most recent specs, you are absolutely correct: PH mode (average 21 Mbps/Max 24Mbps), HA mode (approx.17 Mbps), HG mode (approx.13 Mbps) and HE mode (approx. 6 Mbps). Thanks for the correction.
    Cheers,
    Alan

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  • Ron Evans
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    The HMC150 is the professional AVCHD that is due out in the fall. IT has the highest rate so far for AVCHD of 21 max at 24.
    http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs...02008010809224
    Sony will surely counter with something maybe a replacement for the FX1/FX7.

    Ron Evans

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  • AJL14
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    Kevin....

    Kevin....The HMC150 supposedly only supports a max of 13 Mbps, which even though nearly double the "old" 7Mbps artifacts-laden AVCHD, is still 4Mbps shy of the Sony (and Canon), and in the fall Sony will up their Mbps rate to 22. But, we'll wait and see. 3 chips might make a difference in pix quality - we don't know yet about the compression!
    Alan

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  • kwshaw1
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    Originally posted by AJL14 View Post
    However, you are talking about a strictly consumer camera compared to at least a Prosumer - or even professional - camera design and performance.
    The upcoming Panasonic HMC150 appears slated to offer professional features with the AVCHD recording format, so we'll see how well that works. What Panasonic really should do is put their AVC-intra codec in a camera in this price range, then AVC-based recording would be worth talking about. Otherwise AVCHD seems like a novelty given the time required to transcode it for editing plus back it up for archiving.

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  • AJL14
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    Kevin...

    Hi Kevin.
    You're absolutely correct. There's no arguing the fact that XDCAM is going to result in better photographic quality than any of the consumer cameras at this time - even the full HD AVCHD cameras at 17 Mbps (22 Mbps coming by fall). However, you are talking about a strictly consumer camera compared to at least a Prosumer - or even professional - camera design and performance. But no doubt - the little consumer babies are a mind-blow of quality for their size and cost, and are pretty darn close in quality considering. Not apples and oranges, per se, but certainly big apples and little apples!
    Have fun and
    Cheers,
    Alan

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  • Ron Evans
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    Well now I know how to use the AVCHD converter properly( !!!) it converts very fast on my quad core Q9450, 8G RAM Vista 64. I have converted several clips of about 1 hour 1920x1080 in about 45 mins. It had taken about 25 mins to upload to the PC using Sony Motion Browser. I have done this a number of times now and feel that 1 hour of AVCHD can be uploaded and converted in say 1 hour 15 min on average. Not really much different to setting up and capturing HDV tape from my FX1. Pictures match really well between the two as well. I would love a Sony AVCHD that is a little more Prosumer like the FX1 with more manual controls etc. The SR11 produces some really lovely pictures. You really need to see to understand.

    Ron Evans

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  • kwshaw1
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    Can the Blu-ray presets be used with Procoder Express? In previous dicussions I gathered they only work with the full version.

    Regarding AVCHD cameras, I'm seeing some troubling user comments about workflow issues: the native footage is understandably difficult to edit and transcoding to HQ takes at least real time on powerful quad-core computers. Hence no workflow benefit compared to HDV and arguably a disadvantage compared to XDCAM-EX, unless you also transcode the XDCAM footage. There are some good things about AVCHD but mostly from a consumer perspective, not so much for formal video production.

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  • Rusty
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    Originally posted by Deeter2 View Post
    Rusty,
    the material posted on that Vimeo link are not anywhere as good as your "Water Works" video...
    Frankly I was not impressed at all with those postings on the SR12.
    Thanks so much, glad you like the pump station. Went there last Sun. and the sunset is much farther North now, so no re-doing it.

    Vimeo is all over the map for video quality and content, but it's a far superior experience than any other video site. (Unlike YouTube, you can flag inappropriate videos and down they come!)

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  • Deeter2
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    Vimeo Channel

    Originally posted by Rusty View Post
    How was your experience with AVCHD?

    Vimeo is not the most user-friendly experience, but the most friendly-user one for sure. Be sure to see the HDR-SR12 channel, tons-o-fun!

    Don't kill yourself to upload...
    We're Edius users... we know how to wait! :~)
    You'll need to scale to 1280x720 24p for Vimeo, I recommend Streamclip to convert to .mp3 audio to save space. :~(
    Rusty,
    the material posted on that Vimeo link are not anywhere as good as your "Water Works" video...
    Frankly I was not impressed at all with those postings on the SR12.

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  • Rusty
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    Hang in there... it's way do-able!

    Unfortunately, I've not found a single-stroke solution to Vimeo.

    I use PCE to output to 1280x720 H.264 Quicktime w/little Endian audio, then I use Streamclip to get what Vimeo likes best. (I can't figure out how to get .mp3 audio from PCE, someone will say it's not available :~/)

    In Streamclip...
    1280x720 H.264 Quicktime
    .mp3 audio
    Limit bitrate to 5000kbps
    A spiffy file size indicator is available while you while you play with settings.
    Save a preset for next time and you're good to go!

    Vimeo is very forgiving about replacing video footage should you need to make changes. Can't wait!

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  • AJL14
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    Rusty.....

    Rusty - I'm trying to post a 4 minute HD on Vimeo as you suggested - but since I've never done this, I'm having trouble getting an HD file down to 500megs, which is their limit to post. ALso, I'm not sure of the file "form" they will accept. If you can enlighten me as to how to take my timeline and get it onto Vimeo (without buying any new software ! ! !), I'd be most grateful, and will post ASAP.
    Many thanks,
    Cheers,
    Alan

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  • AJL14
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    Tony....

    Tony - sorry I didn't answer your two questions. On the "washout" - yes there was a slight bit of washout on the "overbright" portions of the pix. There were some "internally lighted" cloth stars hung above the stage that blew out. But 2 factors - one, I think they were perhaps 5 stops hotter than the stage and dancers (where the camera auto-irised to get proper exposure), and two, on the EDIUS timeline I applied the "curves" correction effect, and with the luminance curve brought down the "top" (or overexposed) portion of the pix to about 110 IRE, and the stars were perfect, with all textures showing. Therefore, I can only surmise that the camera properly recorded all the information, and the "peak crush" clipped on the EDIUS. So bringing it down about 8 or 9 points brought it into perfect registration.
    As far as the focus "hunting", I saw VERY little of that. Far better than previous models. I did a little filmin in some VERY dark places - perhaps 3 or 4lumens, and then there was - as in all cameras - a slight amount of hunting. The one experience I did have that I question, was even though the 'Super Steadi Shot' anti-shake/vibration worked quite well - 2nd only to Canon's SUPERB optical version - at some times when I'd turn the camera on, it would take 20 to 25 seconds for the SteadiShot to kick in. I have not asked for another camera to test yet, however that is one item which I will check out for sure. Most folks cannot wait for that long to start taking a shot after turn-on.
    Hope I've relayed some info that helps. Will continue to play and report!
    Cheers,
    A
    Last edited by AJL14; 07-01-2008, 08:40 PM. Reason: title...

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