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  • XDCAM HD editing feel??

    Hi Guys,

    Currently I edit DVCAM SD on a P4 3.4ghz and editing is smooth and realtime.

    We intend to go to XDCAM HD and will upgrade the PCs to Intel quadcores, with 2gb or more ram.
    My questions are:

    1) Is editing XDCAM HD footage (unconverted) as smooth as my current DVCAM SD editing is?
    If not, will I have to convert it to Canopus HQ?

    2) Are SATA II drives as standalone fast enough or will it have to be raid 0 or 5 (to edit raw XDCAM HD or Canopus HQ)?

    3) We edit footage stored on other machines over gigabit ethernet. Its VERY good with SD. Will it be slower with raw XDCAM HD and Canopus HQ?

    The answers to these qustions will greatly help in the move to the new system structure.

    Thanks in advance.
    Raja Singh
    Sadha Video
    UK
    1st:HDStorm+expansion bay,i7 3770K Ivy Bridge, Asus P8Z77-V,16Gb Corsair RAM,nvidia GT-650,Lian Li PC-A7110B Tower Case,NEC 24" Monitor,Win7 64bit,Vistitle 2.6,Edius 8.2
    2nd:HDSpark, i7 3770K Ivy Bridge, Asus P8Z77-V,16Gb Corsair RAM,nvidia GT-650, Lian-Li case, Asus 24" Monitor,Win7 64bit,Vistitle 2.6,Edius 8.2
    3rd:IntensityPro4K,i7 4790K,Asus Z97-K,16Gb Corsair RAM,Geforce GTX750Ti,Corsair case,Asus 24"Monitor, Win7 64bit,Vistitle2.6,Edius 8.2
    Gigabit Ethernet

  • #2
    XDCAM HD is Long-GOP MPEG-2 data.

    So, combining MPEG-2 content, with a much higher resolution than DVCAM, you are going to need more system power if you want smooth, realtime editing in the native format. (this is assuming you use the essence content, and not the proxy content)

    Otherwise, you'll need to convert to Canopus HQ to speed things up - it's recommended anyway. MPEG-2 is a horrible format to edit with. :)

    As with most of our solutions, RAID is never a requirement, it's just preferred.

    Bandwidth-wise - the workflow with the Professional Disc system is a bit different - typically you edit with proxy data, and then replace (when needed) with the essence content. In this way, the bandwidth requirements are minor, for proxy data. But in terms of what's small, medium and large:

    Small = DVCAM SD
    Small/Medium = XDCAM HD (closer to HDV size)
    Large = Canopus HQ (less compressed stream, greater data rate)
    Large = HDCAM

    You could probably get away with minimal network-based editing with native XDCAM HD. But if you're going to be using Canopus HQ a lot, you might have to reexamine your network infrastructure.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by GrassValley_KH View Post
      XDCAM HD is Long-GOP MPEG-2 data.
      You could probably get away with minimal network-based editing with native XDCAM HD. But if you're going to be using Canopus HQ a lot, you might have to reexamine your network infrastructure.
      Thanks for the response.

      So are there any improvements i can make to the network to edit Canopus HQ over the network? (if any)

      So editing XDCAM HD footage is the same as editing MPEG-2 SD? (horrible!)

      DV is 3.5MB/s. What data rate is Canopus HQ?
      Last edited by Raja; 06-28-2008, 11:41 PM.
      Raja Singh
      Sadha Video
      UK
      1st:HDStorm+expansion bay,i7 3770K Ivy Bridge, Asus P8Z77-V,16Gb Corsair RAM,nvidia GT-650,Lian Li PC-A7110B Tower Case,NEC 24" Monitor,Win7 64bit,Vistitle 2.6,Edius 8.2
      2nd:HDSpark, i7 3770K Ivy Bridge, Asus P8Z77-V,16Gb Corsair RAM,nvidia GT-650, Lian-Li case, Asus 24" Monitor,Win7 64bit,Vistitle 2.6,Edius 8.2
      3rd:IntensityPro4K,i7 4790K,Asus Z97-K,16Gb Corsair RAM,Geforce GTX750Ti,Corsair case,Asus 24"Monitor, Win7 64bit,Vistitle2.6,Edius 8.2
      Gigabit Ethernet

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Raja View Post
        Thanks for the response.

        So are there any improvements i can make to the network to edit Canopus HQ over the network? (if any)

        So editing XDCAM HD footage is the same as editing MPEG-2 SD? (horrible!)

        DV is 3.5MB/s. What data rate is Canopus HQ?

        This link should answer all of your questions concerning the Canopus HQ codec.

        http://www.canopus.com/contentfiles/...paper70b72.pdf
        Jerry
        Six Gill DV
        www.sgdvtutorials.com
        If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

        Vistitle YouTube Channel
        https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

        Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
        http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


        Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, Corsair H110, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, HD Spark, Intensity Shuttle, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Benq 27 and Hanns-G 28 monitors, CC 2019, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
        Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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        • #5
          Hey Jerry, thanks for the link. Very detailed explanation.

          I see from your system specs that you have gigabit ethernet. Do you edit Canopus HQ over the network (files on one PC and edit on another)? Is it workable / smooth?
          Raja Singh
          Sadha Video
          UK
          1st:HDStorm+expansion bay,i7 3770K Ivy Bridge, Asus P8Z77-V,16Gb Corsair RAM,nvidia GT-650,Lian Li PC-A7110B Tower Case,NEC 24" Monitor,Win7 64bit,Vistitle 2.6,Edius 8.2
          2nd:HDSpark, i7 3770K Ivy Bridge, Asus P8Z77-V,16Gb Corsair RAM,nvidia GT-650, Lian-Li case, Asus 24" Monitor,Win7 64bit,Vistitle 2.6,Edius 8.2
          3rd:IntensityPro4K,i7 4790K,Asus Z97-K,16Gb Corsair RAM,Geforce GTX750Ti,Corsair case,Asus 24"Monitor, Win7 64bit,Vistitle2.6,Edius 8.2
          Gigabit Ethernet

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Raja View Post
            Hey Jerry, thanks for the link. Very detailed explanation.

            I see from your system specs that you have gigabit ethernet. Do you edit Canopus HQ over the network (files on one PC and edit on another)? Is it workable / smooth?
            Yes I do. It works very nicely. But I also have 3 fast raids. One on the main machine and 2 on my second machine. I am getting raid speeds of 350 read and write on one, which is my capture machine(capture with BM card) and
            250 read and write on the others.
            This is instrumental in the overall flow of the information across the network.

            Make sure you know where you put the files, at least for future reference.
            Jerry
            Six Gill DV
            www.sgdvtutorials.com
            If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

            Vistitle YouTube Channel
            https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

            Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
            http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


            Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, Corsair H110, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, HD Spark, Intensity Shuttle, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Benq 27 and Hanns-G 28 monitors, CC 2019, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
            Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jerry View Post
              Yes I do. It works very nicely. But I also have 3 fast raids. One on the main machine and 2 on my second machine. I am getting raid speeds of 350 read and write on one, which is my capture machine(capture with BM card) and
              250 read and write on the others.
              This is instrumental in the overall flow of the information across the network.

              Make sure you know where you put the files, at least for future reference.
              I have the same drive mappings across the 3 edit machines so any project can be opened from any PC.

              Are you RAID 0 or 5?
              Raja Singh
              Sadha Video
              UK
              1st:HDStorm+expansion bay,i7 3770K Ivy Bridge, Asus P8Z77-V,16Gb Corsair RAM,nvidia GT-650,Lian Li PC-A7110B Tower Case,NEC 24" Monitor,Win7 64bit,Vistitle 2.6,Edius 8.2
              2nd:HDSpark, i7 3770K Ivy Bridge, Asus P8Z77-V,16Gb Corsair RAM,nvidia GT-650, Lian-Li case, Asus 24" Monitor,Win7 64bit,Vistitle 2.6,Edius 8.2
              3rd:IntensityPro4K,i7 4790K,Asus Z97-K,16Gb Corsair RAM,Geforce GTX750Ti,Corsair case,Asus 24"Monitor, Win7 64bit,Vistitle2.6,Edius 8.2
              Gigabit Ethernet

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Raja View Post
                I have the same drive mappings across the 3 edit machines so any project can be opened from any PC.

                Are you RAID 0 or 5?


                Raid 0.
                I use the main machine for editing and just mainly access files across the network as opposed to projects. I have not tried to open a project across the network.
                Jerry
                Six Gill DV
                www.sgdvtutorials.com
                If you own the Tutorials and you need help, PM me.

                Vistitle YouTube Channel
                https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMVlxC8Am4qFbkXJRoPAnMQ/videos

                Windows 10 Pro up to v.1803 Tweaks for Edius Users
                http://sgdvtutorials.com/WIN%2010%20...%20V.2.0.0.pdf


                Main System:: Azrock Z97 Extreme 6, [email protected], 32gb ram, Corsair H110, Win10 Pro 64, Samsung 850 pro, E7.5/8.5/E9 on separate SSD drives, HD Spark, Intensity Shuttle, 12tb RAID 0 on backplane ,2 BD, Benq 27 and Hanns-G 28 monitors, CC 2019, GTX 1080ti SC Black.
                Second System: EditHD Ultimax-i7, X58, [email protected], Corsair H80, Win764, 24gb ram, Storm 3g, Samsung 840 Pro 256, 4tb and 6tb RAID 0 on backplane, GTX 980ti Classified, Edius 9, Apple 30", Samsung 24", dual BD.

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