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  • 6K Bitrate vs. 8K bitrate DVD's

    Hey all! I've been outputting to 8000 bitrate DVD's (CBR) since I was led to believe that was a popular DVD format and the highest quality which was compatible with most DVD players. Recently I've been informed by more than one that my 8K's will are not recognized in their DVD players. Is this because most players may not recognize above a 6000 bitrate CBR? I noticed that the new Procoder 3 has as a standard bitrate 6000 as a default. What say you, experts! ! !

    Many thanks,
    Alan

    PS: MY OWN EDIT. JUST WENT TO PROCODER FORUM, SEARCHED, AND FOUND THE ANSWERS THERE MYSELF. MY BOO-BOO. MY SORRY. THANKS ANYWAY, GUYS! ! ! !
    Last edited by AJL14; 06-05-2008, 07:39 AM. Reason: FOUND ANSWER
    Alan J. Levi
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  • #2
    What brand media you use is very important.

    I still keep my DVD's below 7,500 TOTAL for audio+video on Taiyo Yuden 16x discs (Japanese made, and I burn at 8x for safety). I have gotten only 1 complaint in the past 4 years...and I told them to buy a new DVD player :)

    What is your audio? PCM or AC3? If PCM, then if your video is 8000 you add 1500 for uncompressed PCM and that's a total of 9,500. Use AC3 256kb in PC3 (uncheck "auto gain") and keep the video max of 7200 and you will be fine.

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    • #3
      What Dave said is correct the medium is a BIG problem, I use RITEK, TDK, Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden with 8000k VBR 2 pass and AC3 Audio encoded at 256kb and have had no returns!
      BUT if you use PCM Audio reduce the bit rate to 6000 or a lot of players will spit the dummy
      Regards Barry
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bluetongue View Post
        I use RITEK
        any of them older than a year still play?

        all RITEK disks I made that are older than a year are no longer readable by anything

        these are the G0Y5 ones

        no problems with Tayo Yuden here at all
        Anton Strauss
        Antons Video Productions - Sydney

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        • #5
          Anton
          So far no returns, maybe they thought the video was so bad they threw them away, He He
          The only ident I can find on them is BRTK0048 16x Printable and the printing is available all the way to the center and they were burnt at 4X, min available on the burner.
          Have checked some of my older masters and all seem OK one I know is 2 years old!, you have me worried now, thanks!
          Regards Barry
          Win 10HP, EDIUS WG9.4, HD Spark, Boris RED 5, VMW6, Authorworks 6, Bluff Titler, VisTitler 2.8, NEAT 3/4, Mercalli 2/4, Vitascene, Izotope RX6 Plugin, NewBlue, Trend Micro AV
          GB GA-X58A-UD3R MB, i7 [email protected], 12G 1600mhz Mem, Samsung EVO-250G SSD, 3x2T RAID, GTX 970W OC, 2x24 inch LG Monitors
          Canon XH-A1/ Canon HF-G30, GoPro Hero3 Black, Edit @1920 50p HQ preset

          https://vimeo.com/user2157719/videos
          Laptop ASUS G752VT-GC060T Win 10HP, Edius WG8.53 Samsung M2 SSD 256G+1Tb HD,

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          • #6
            Agreed with Anton. I had a few cheap Riteks and I can't read data off them, good thing I have backups.

            I buy my Taiyo Yudens from here
            I've ordered about 1,000 from them so far, always get the same media.

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            • #7
              Thanks all, I now have shivers down my back waiting for complaints.
              Waited 12 months before outputting in RITEK, only some, having had serious problems with other "CHEAP" disks and the originals still work.
              At least all the projects are backed on tape and HD so replacement is not a problem but it is embarrassing when complaints start to appear
              Regards Barry
              Win 10HP, EDIUS WG9.4, HD Spark, Boris RED 5, VMW6, Authorworks 6, Bluff Titler, VisTitler 2.8, NEAT 3/4, Mercalli 2/4, Vitascene, Izotope RX6 Plugin, NewBlue, Trend Micro AV
              GB GA-X58A-UD3R MB, i7 [email protected], 12G 1600mhz Mem, Samsung EVO-250G SSD, 3x2T RAID, GTX 970W OC, 2x24 inch LG Monitors
              Canon XH-A1/ Canon HF-G30, GoPro Hero3 Black, Edit @1920 50p HQ preset

              https://vimeo.com/user2157719/videos
              Laptop ASUS G752VT-GC060T Win 10HP, Edius WG8.53 Samsung M2 SSD 256G+1Tb HD,

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              • #8
                do you have Nero? the info tool can show you the real part number

                let me attach a screenshot of such a RITEK part number

                who knows, maybe they cleaned up their act but I am scared to ever try them again
                Attached Files
                Anton Strauss
                Antons Video Productions - Sydney

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                • #9
                  I use maxell printable DVDs and I have no complaints the past 3 years. Only one time and that's because customer had scratched it...
                  I use variable bitrate at 6000, maximum 8000 and minimum 2000.

                  Greetings my friends!

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                  • #10
                    I had the same experience with Ritek and now also use hub printable Taiyo Yuden .

                    Ron Evans
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                    • #11
                      Anton
                      Thanks for that
                      Disk info
                      MID "RITEKF1"
                      Write speeds 4X-8X-8X-16X-16X
                      Question for Ron, were your RITEK's OK?
                      Regards Barry
                      Win 10HP, EDIUS WG9.4, HD Spark, Boris RED 5, VMW6, Authorworks 6, Bluff Titler, VisTitler 2.8, NEAT 3/4, Mercalli 2/4, Vitascene, Izotope RX6 Plugin, NewBlue, Trend Micro AV
                      GB GA-X58A-UD3R MB, i7 [email protected], 12G 1600mhz Mem, Samsung EVO-250G SSD, 3x2T RAID, GTX 970W OC, 2x24 inch LG Monitors
                      Canon XH-A1/ Canon HF-G30, GoPro Hero3 Black, Edit @1920 50p HQ preset

                      https://vimeo.com/user2157719/videos
                      Laptop ASUS G752VT-GC060T Win 10HP, Edius WG8.53 Samsung M2 SSD 256G+1Tb HD,

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                      • #12
                        Ritek is known as a relatively dodgy and inconsistent brand. I use Taiyo Yuden hub-printable DVDs.

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                        • #13
                          Although I now use TY discs, I have used Riteks for years with no problems.

                          The problem with ritek though is that the dye is produced in 3 places I think, and only one is a good one. In Europe Conrexx supply the high quality Ritek discs, sticking with those has been fine for me, until I struggled to get them, as more and more re-sellers ditch this supplier in favour of the cheaper ones and cash in on the Ritek named dye.
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                          • #14
                            Used to use Ritek, when they had a better name for themselves, but now use Taiyo Yuden.
                            I burn @ 4 speed.
                            Tony


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                            • #15
                              So right!

                              Hi Dave...and others.
                              What I failed to notice is that the 8K mode I've been burning in doesn't take into account the audio - as you so wisely point out. That's the main reason I've been getting inconsistancies in player compatibilities. I've now reduced the load to about 7.5K INCLUDING audio, and will see how that fairs. I've been using Maxell for many years, with good success, but will now look into the TY's. Thanks for all the input.
                              Cheeers,
                              Alan
                              Alan J. Levi
                              Director

                              SYSTEM: ASUS P8Z77-VPro mobo, Intel 3770K CPU, 16 Gig Crucial 1866 RAM, Antec 1000W PS, EVGA nVidia 560Ti 1Gig Video, CoolerMaster CPU cooler, LG GGW-H20L BluRay DVD, SPARK card w/23" Samsung 1920x1080 Monitor, OCZ 240GB SSD boot in Swapable Tray & 3 WD Enterprise 1TB video RAID 5 HDD's. 4.5TB RAID 1 Outboard backups, Behringer2000 Audio Fader/Controller

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