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  • Jerry
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    Originally posted by swsw1550 View Post
    Quadro cards are designed for 3D and also Editing, and they are a totaly different arctechure than 8800 and 9800 cards, this is why they are so dear and many studios in hollywood use them, 8800 and the 9800 cards are soley designed for gamers,
    Yes, they are wonderful cards for 3d, Cad Cam, and compositing. No doubt...and I don't believe anyone is disputing that.
    However, any thing in the Quadro line past the FX1700 for Edius is overkill, unless of course, you are doing some AE work. For the most part, Edius will work with a $70 card. If we were doing 4k I would probably go with the Quadro upper level cards.
    As far as working in AE, I am getting the same specs out of my 8800gts 512 as I was with my Quadro FX1500. I get better RT with the 8800 in Vitascene due to the 512 and it works with 1920x1080 timelines (my main settings). The FX1500 will not do that in Vitascene. My 2600xt 512 does the same as the 8800 in Edius with Explode and Vitascene but will do RT(blue line) in SD with the ATI renderer for Xplode. That is the $70 card. It does not pack the open gl punch of the Nvidia cards but works good with my 30 and 24 in monitors.

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  • swsw1550
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    Some information on Quadro Cards

    I have posted information about these cards in the past, but thought I better do it again, also if you haven't used one of the high end cards i.e 5400 or 5600 or even the 4500 and 4600 Quadro cards why post comments about them until you use them.
    P.S these are not gaming cards..

    • Full 128-Bit Precision Graphics Pipeline with 12-Bit Subpixel Precision
    • 32-Bit Floating Point Precision
    • 128MB up to 1.5GB Ultra High Performance Graphics DDR3 Memory
    • Ultra Efficient 256-Bit Memory Interface
    • Advanced Colour Compression & Early Z-Cul
    • Cg High-Level Graphics Shader Language
    • Genlock & Frame Lock
    • Full-Scene Antialiasing (FSAA)
    • Rotated-Grid Full-Scene Antialiasing (RG FSAA)
    • Hardware 3D Window Clipping
    • Hardware-Accelerated Pixel Read-Back
    • Highest Workstation Application Performance
    • High-Performance Display Outputs
    • Next-Generation Vertex and Pixel Programmability (4.0)
    • NVIDIA High Precision Dynamic-Range (HPDR) Technology
    • NVIDIA Quadro Unified Memory architecture nView Multi-Display Technology
    • NVIDIA SLI Technology™ & Quad Buffered Stereo
    • Quad Dual-Link Digital Display Connectors Dual Dual-Link Digital Display Connectors
    • NVIDIA Unified Driver Architecture (UDA)

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  • swsw1550
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    Quadro NOT Quadra

    Quadro cards are designed for 3D and also Editing, and they are a totaly different arctechure than 8800 and 9800 cards, this is why they are so dear and many studios in hollywood use them, 8800 and the 9800 cards are soley designed for gamers,

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  • mike0130
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    I've tested lots of video cards and I can assure that for Edius itself you do not have to spent money- It doesn't use the GPU power at all, additional effects- is a different story. If you do not care about Xplode Pro/for Edius- go for nvidia card. Don't do stupid moves in Quadra direction- save some money for food. Quadra (256mb) is for heavy 3D rendering, and "simple" 8800GT with 512mb will beat it very easy in Vitascene and other 3rd party effects, it will better work with Boris products and most 3D applications. Last good Quadra's with 1024mb will cost you approx. as 3 good computers, but will not make any difference, cause you can get this performance from 8800-9800 nVidia cards.
    If you want the best "for today" including Xplode's- go for ATI, the best stable known card is X1950, I use HIS X1950 Pro 512mb- with IceCube cooler- it's unbelievably quiet and cool and it is factory overclocked- just perfect! Cards X1950XT or XTX even more powerful and also very good, you may still get yours. Very cheap.
    Good luck.
    mike

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  • Jerry
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    Originally posted by megabit View Post
    It should be added though, that those needing HDCP-compliancy and ability to playback Full HD BDs etc will require the 1700 version.
    I was able to playback Full HD BD on my 1500. No issues.
    Not an accurate portrayal of what the disc will actually look like when played
    on a desktop player to Plasma or LCD.

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  • Jerry
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    Originally posted by Bluetongue View Post
    The performance of Edius is completely related to the power of the processor, the more power the greater the RT performance.
    The greatest benefit I find is when adding a transition or filter the result can be immediately seen on the monitor and played back without rendering. There are exceptions to that where 3rd party plug ins are concerned, some better than others but overall the work flow is fast and accurate.
    Ref your EX1 I dont know what how Edius responds to the native files from the EX1 but for HDV converting to the HQ AVI makes so much difference even though my computer will handle native HDV, by encoding to HQ increases the RT with native filters etc
    Hope that helps
    Regards Barry
    Actually, if you read the white paper on Edius and HQ files, and I would assume that you are talking HQ files, then you are only half right. The RT performance is based on CPU and Hard drive performance.

    Playback without rendering is one thing, playback without having to render is another. As long as there are redlines above any given effect or file, you still have to render for final output.
    I edit in full raster as opposed to 1440. I don't capture with Edius or the NX.
    My files are either mjpeg or uncompressed. Should I need more horsepower I will convert to HQ.... but that is on rare occasions.

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  • Jerry
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    Originally posted by JimJulian View Post
    Describe reasonable.
    After using the FX 1500, as suggested by some on this forum, I've come to the conclusion that $450 is reasonable for a card that is bullet-proof, designed for graphics not games, and plays well with Edius and other programs like After Effects. Sadly, many people go cheap, and then spend hour upon hour trying to get something to work. It makes no sense, especially if you value your time at $20 an hour and you spend a 10 hour day struggling with a video card...not to mention missing client deadlines, killing brain cells, or playing with some IRQ setting when you should be playing with your kid. I've done it all.

    The question to ask is, "what works" not "how much".

    jim
    I can say this that the Quadro FX1500 is not quite bullet-proof. It is a good card but at 256mb ram it will not work with full raster HD with Vitascene effects. In order to work in full raster 512mb or above is recommended by many effects creators.
    Other than that it is a very good card. The FX1700, unless it has been resolved, had some memory issue within either Edius or XP.
    My 8800GTS 512 does what the Quadro did and more.
    Don't get me wrong, if you are using 1440x1080 files the 1500 is a great card.

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  • PopEye
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    I'll double check within the next 24 hrs (I don't use xplode that often) but I'm 90% certain that yes it's 100% RT with HD footage (HQ codec)
    Rick

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  • Bluetongue
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    The performance of Edius is completely related to the power of the processor, the more power the greater the RT performance.
    The greatest benefit I find is when adding a transition or filter the result can be immediately seen on the monitor and played back without rendering. There are exceptions to that where 3rd party plug ins are concerned, some better than others but overall the work flow is fast and accurate.
    Ref your EX1 I dont know what how Edius responds to the native files from the EX1 but for HDV converting to the HQ AVI makes so much difference even though my computer will handle native HDV, by encoding to HQ increases the RT with native filters etc
    Hope that helps
    Regards Barry

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  • megabit
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    Originally posted by Bluetongue View Post
    Xplode is a legacy 3D transition set that has been with Edius for so long that I think everyone has forgotten when it started, but it has passed its days and with Version 5 will probably cease to exist. I rarely use it but it is a good gauge of graphics performance and the cause of much angst for those who run into problems with it.
    As you have not used Edius I can see why the question
    Regards Barry
    Thanks Barry. Since I am realy considering switching from Vegas to Edius (mainly due to better RT playback of Full HD timeline), please enlighten me further: will I benefit from some of those HW solutions from Canopus? It's important to mention I don't need any capture functionality, as - having the EX1 camera - my workflow is totally file-based. So, just from the viewpoint of RT playback on my 50" Full HD plasma - is it worth it? And which one?

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  • megabit
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    Originally posted by JimJulian View Post
    Describe reasonable.
    After using the FX 1500, as suggested by some on this forum, I've come to the conclusion that $450 is reasonable for a card that is bullet-proof, designed for graphics not games, and plays well with Edius and other programs like After Effects.
    It should be added though, that those needing HDCP-compliancy and ability to playback Full HD BDs etc will require the 1700 version.

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  • Bluetongue
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    Originally posted by megabit View Post
    Could someone bear with me as an Edius newbee, and explain the idea of Xplode? I've only had to do with Edius itself :) TIA!
    Xplode is a legacy 3D transition set that has been with Edius for so long that I think everyone has forgotten when it started, but it has passed its days and with Version 5 will probably cease to exist. I rarely use it but it is a good gauge of graphics performance and the cause of much angst for those who run into problems with it.
    As you have not used Edius I can see why the question
    Regards Barry

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  • JimJulian
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    Describe reasonable.
    After using the FX 1500, as suggested by some on this forum, I've come to the conclusion that $450 is reasonable for a card that is bullet-proof, designed for graphics not games, and plays well with Edius and other programs like After Effects. Sadly, many people go cheap, and then spend hour upon hour trying to get something to work. It makes no sense, especially if you value your time at $20 an hour and you spend a 10 hour day struggling with a video card...not to mention missing client deadlines, killing brain cells, or playing with some IRQ setting when you should be playing with your kid. I've done it all.

    The question to ask is, "what works" not "how much".

    jim

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  • megabit
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    Claire,

    Yes - for example, the STEREOVISION CINEMA SUITE 2.0 presets that someone has posted in another thread here give me the red line.

    The Edius System presets are fine - bluee line over them OK.

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  • Claire
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    Originally posted by megabit View Post
    Claire,

    Just to let you know that for the same reasons as you, I have just replaced my old XT1600XT ATI card with a HDCP-compatible model, the HD 3870 with 512 MB RAM; unfortunately in HD, I'g getting red line over effects in Edius timeline.

    I'm seriously thinking about a mid-class Quadro (like the FX 1700); can anyone confirm this will give me RT effect playback?
    Piotr,

    thanks for that info, if you see a red line then I assume by "effects" you are referring to some 3rd party effects and not the standard video effects that are built into Edius such as essential color correction, etc? They always seem to work in real time in HDV even with a basic video card and I would not want to lose this feature.

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