Batch capture incorrectly splitting clips

[Bluetongue]

And a question to Barry

Do you mean just not hooked up to the Web or do you not have any web programs installed?

Thanks for your help,
Ted

Sorry Ted missed this question,
Not connected and no web programs other than what come with windows and no antivirus etc, all updates downloaded onto my laptop then transferred across on a USB dongle after being stringently scanned, Windows updates the same.
A bit of a bind but so far it has worked flawlessly
Regards Barry

[Bluetongue]

If it were a tape or camera problem (brand new cameras, by the way), then I would expect that PPro would also report a dropped frame.

No, the problem is that Edius splits the clips because it thinks there's a dropped frame or glitch in the tape. It's too sensitive.

If I uncheck ALL the split options (as you seem to suggest), it will capture everything without splitting the clips, but it still drops the fames.

But all of that is irrelevant: The issue is: Edius is dropping frames during capture. PPro does not. It's an issue with Edius.

Hi Martin
The fact you are getting dropped frames with no split options selected means there is a real problem. So far I have not experienced this at all, it almost seems as if there is a problems with the firewire or a conflict with another program.
Some time ago someone reported something similar and PPro was OK, but I do not think it was resolved, I only have Media Studio Pro on my computers (has a fabulous section for cataloging tapes with thumbnails and time codes, cannot seem to find anything else that does this) and that will only capture in SD, just a longshot is it a conflict with PPro?
Others seem to have PPro and Edius on the same computer without problems though
Regards Barry

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Ted my posting was not aimed at diminishing your post or indeed capture problems! I simpathise with you! I have had similar issues with other software apps!

Hi Cath,
I did not take it as such. It's just that I'm frustrated, that nothing that is suggested seems to help my situation.

My computer specs are:
Intel Core 2 Dual 2.4 GHz Workstation
Asus P5B Deluxe Green Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Due E66000 2.4 GHz LGA 775 Processor
Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB Kit DDR2 Non-ECC 240 DIMM Memory Module
4 Sata Drives in a RAID 10
Windows XP
NX Card

Hope this helps to see what we have.

And a question to Barry

my main system is completely divorced from the web, no problems

Do you mean just not hooked up to the Web or do you not have any web programs installed?

Thanks for your help,
Ted

[Martin_Gleeson]

Martin Why do you say HDV does not have timecode or data time breaks unless you have started the camera and not stopped it in which case it must be dirty heads or a tape problem?

Thanks for the reply, Barry.

As I'm sure you know, time code break is not the same as "When recorded time data changes". Time codes, as was my understanding, is when the tape counter is reset or skips. This can happen if you record a portion of tape, then forward a small bit and record some more. The time code is not continous.

"When recorded time data changes" is when the actual HH:MM:SS have changed. That is: I turn off or put the camera in standbyt at 12:01:01PM and the resume recording at 12:01:20pm. The clip is split. I have not selected that option.

If it were a tape or camera problem (brand new cameras, by the way), then I would expect that PPro would also report a dropped frame.

No, the problem is that Edius splits the clips because it thinks there's a dropped frame or glitch in the tape. It's too sensitive.

If I uncheck ALL the split options (as you seem to suggest), it will capture everything without splitting the clips, but it still drops the fames.

For me Edius breaks the capture into clips at every start and stop of the camera, "Great idea"
Even an Edited project placed back on the camera the original Tape timecode Date and time seems to be recorded so will break at the clip positions.

Yes, "When recorded time data changes" can be very useful option. I use it when capturing long stretches of wedding dancing. It breaks up the clips each time the camera was turned off.

But all of that is irrelevant: The issue is: Edius is dropping frames during capture. PPro does not. It's an issue with Edius.

[Martin_Gleeson]

Batch capture / file splitting works well here and seldom does it miss a cut, infact if anything it is over active and will introduce a cut on a minor tape glitch.

Using 4.61

That's my problem. Batch capture is dropping frames and as such, splitting clips when it shouldn't

[Imagine Video]

Ted my posting was not aimed at diminishing your post or indeed capture problems! I simpathise with you! I have had similar issues with other software apps!

Just trying to bring a little balance to the thread as I said not everyone is having the same issues as yourself.

If I have offended you then I am sorry my post was never intended to do that!

Maybe if you list your system specs it may give a More seasoned user / builder here a clue as to why you are having so many issues in the capture area.

I used a system spec from many discussions on here and I can only say its a great setup and I do not suffer the same issues as you, Long may it be so!!!

I have built 2 of this spec albeit one system using a quad 2.4 clocked to 3ghz and using an alternative video card saphire 3850 512 mb ram 256 bit

I shoot z1 and capture all HDV from sony mr15 deck and my capture is both HDV and SD and all capture works as it should for me.


Cath.

[Bluetongue]

When we're all using the same program, why would each case be different?

What am I missing?

Ted

Ted
I cannot agree with you more, except since taking Edius as my preferred poison for editing I have had 5 computers including 2 laptops and every one has been consistent with its operation, none of them have ever refused to capture or wrecked the capture process.
I have never had (touch wood) some of the problems other people report here, at times I wonder if I live on the same planet!
That is not a rebuke of anyone but there has to be something others are doing wrong?
I do not have an answer but I know from the help I have given some here in Adelaide with other programs that most would be caused by some other program they have loaded, mostly for use on the web so my main system is completely divorced from the web, no problems
Regards Barry

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Batch capture incorrectly splitting clips

Of course NOT everyone has a disk to slow error message! and when they do in many cases the advise at the top of this forum will work! BUT not for everyone! each case seems to be very different!

Batch capture / file splitting works well here and seldom does it miss a cut, infact if anything it is over active and will introduce a cut on a minor tape glitch.

Using 4.61

When we're all using the same program, why would each case be different? I have used Media Tools for 10 years and never had a problem. I even used a tape that was 10 years old and had over 30 previous recordings, and this went through without a glitch, following numerous tries on Edius which wouldn't even capture the first clip. I also tried a brand new tape on Edius, cleaned the heads before hand and the results were the same, cutting clips into a thousand little 1 & 2 frame clips. Not acceptable!!! As well it crashed in between. Capturing a two hour tape never turns out to be less than a 4 hour project.

My computer technician built a special computer according to Edius specs (he is an Edius dealer) and came up with the same results.

What am I missing?

Ted

[Bluetongue]

During any HDV capture I do, none of these criteria should be met, so I should get single large files (one per tape).
Martin

Martin Why do you say HDV does not have timecode or data time breaks unless you have started the camera and not stopped it in which case it must be dirty heads or a tape problem?
For me Edius breaks the capture into clips at every start and stop of the camera, "Great idea"
Even an Edited project placed back on the camera the original Tape timecode Date and time seems to be recorded so will break at the clip positions.
Perhaps there is a way to stop this data being placed back on the tape.
I always de select the break criteria when bringing an edited tape back in or it will break the tape up again
Perhaps the one that does not need to be checked is the "Recorded Time data" must try it next time which I see you have done so that throws that out the window
Regards Barry

[Imagine Video]

Of course NOT everyone has a disk to slow error message! and when they do in many cases the advise at the top of this forum will work! BUT not for everyone! each case seems to be very different!

Batch capture / file splitting works well here and seldom does it miss a cut, infact if anything it is over active and will introduce a cut on a minor tape glitch.

Using 4.61

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Batch Capture incorrectly splitting clips

I think the real issue here is: Why is Edius dropping so many frames? Anyone else experience this?

Welcome to the wonderful world of Edius!!! Look under "disc too slow error" postings and read all about it. None of the suggested tips on the Forum work. But what works well is using "Media Tools" which I use with Adobe Premiere. This works well every time.

Ted

[Martin_Gleeson]

You can see from me settings below that I have Edius set to automatically split files on timecode break, when aspect ratio changes or when audio sampling rate changes. During any HDV capture I do, none of these criteria should be met, so I should get single large files (one per tape). I have only set these options to get a split on the odd dropped frame on the camera. In some (few) cases this works and I get my large file. However, in most cases, the file is split a number of times. The last one was split 10 times.

I could of course just uncheck all those options, but then when there are dropped frames while capturing, I wont know about it.

I think the real issue here is: Why is Edius dropping so many frames? Anyone else experience this?

I have tried the following:

1. Capture m2t direct (still have the problem)
2. Capture as HQ (still have the problem)

3. Capture from PPro CS3 using the NX as an firewire port. This works perfectly.

I have streamlined the machine as much as possible. Before capturing I run a script to kill ALL unnessary processes and services.

This is really starting to break my heart. I know Edius capture was always weak, but surely not this week!

Thanks
Martin