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    There are many recording formats available and I'm looking for some clarification on that, to what to choose that works best with Edius 4.6x

    I'm looking into the consumer / prosumer market to make my next HD cam purchase, and I am a bit lost.

    Some cameras record to DV tape, Memory stick or Hard Drive with variations of Mpeg compression etc.

    Besides that if you don't record to tape, you don't have an immediate back up, how to compare the compressed formats and how does Edius handle this.

    Please advise what format preserves the highest quality and best workflow.

    For example keep cam's like a HDR-HC12 & and a HVR-HD1000U in mind.

    Thanks Guys ........

  • #2
    Edius is the best NLE out there for mixed format editing.

    Personally I like tape as recording format as its also a pretty good backup.
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    • #3
      at this stage, I also lean towards tape or XDCAM disks, both can be placed on the shelf for future use

      if using memory cards, be sure to copy them to tape prior to erasing card content ( I am still warm about the HPX500 but I would right away buy a DVCPRO HD deck with SDI so I can transfer from camera to tape for future use
      http://panasonic.com.au/products/det...?objectID=4197 (my Edius SP does not have HD SDI out, not even SD SDI)
      Anton Strauss
      Antons Video Productions - Sydney

      EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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      • #4
        You can get an EDIUS SP with SD SDI out however, it's the ugly card that costs a lot :)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by shueardm View Post
          You can get an EDIUS SP with SD SDI out however, it's the ugly card that costs a lot :)
          yes, and it does not do HD SDI and it may require another slot?

          also, there is 0% info on this SD SDI board at
          http://www.canopus.com/products/productsmain.php
          obviously a well kept secret
          Anton Strauss
          Antons Video Productions - Sydney

          EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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          • #6
            First I think you have to say why you want the camera. If its for family video then the new AVCHD cameras like the Sony SR11/12 have a lot of advantages in managing files and sorting by a lot of data stored with the file. Playback is easy and simple cuts editing can be done in the camera and assembled to either AVCHD disc( for playback on Blu-ray players like PS3) or SD DVD easily with the supplied software. They have a lot of very useful automatic features. I have a Sony SR11 for this purpose and in good light may be better than my FX1 HDV. If you want to do more serious projects then tape to HDV is the next best choice. In consumer choices would be Sony HC9 or Canon HV30 etc. For Prosumer look at Sony FX1 or Canon. If you want to submit for more wide distribution you are into more money and move to XDCAMHD etc.
            Editing AVCHD is a bear but editing HDV is straightforward for all the major NLE's and done in realtime with Edius. You will be shocked by the image quality if you haven't seen these new cameras. you certainly will not want to go back to SD. My SR11 playback to my Panasonic 1080p plasma over HDMI is better than anything I have seen over cable HD except maybe the newscaster in the well controlled HD studio( certainly NOT the news content). At the moment Edius does not handle AVCHD well. For the Sony's one really has to use the Sony Browser software to transfer to the PC then use a converter to go to HQ for editing in Edius. Certainly on my PC the Canopus converter is the slowest of all the ones I have tried to convert to a format that can be edited in one of the main NLE's. However if one only needs to do cuts etc then the Sony software is just fine tha comes with the camera.

            Ron Evans
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            • #7
              Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
              yes, and it does not do HD SDI and it may require another slot?
              Yes to the lack of HD SDI.
              It uses one more unpowered (dummy) slot.

              There's always EDIUS HD Turnkey for $30000 AU :)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by shueardm View Post
                Yes to the lack of HD SDI.
                It uses one more unpowered (dummy) slot.

                There's alwasy EDIUS HD Turnkey for $30000 AU :)
                right now, buying an SD SDI card is like buying a car with a carby instead of EFI

                I roll my own so a turnkey is not an option
                Anton Strauss
                Antons Video Productions - Sydney

                EDIUS X WG with BM Mini Monitor 4k and BM Mini Recorder, Gigabyte X299 UD4 Pro, Intel Core i9 9960X 16 Core, 32 Threads @ 4.3Ghz, Corsair Water Cooling, Gigabyte RTX-2070 Super 3X 8GB Video Card, Samsung 860 Pro 512GB SSD for System, 8TB Samsung Raid0 SSD for Video, 2 Pioneer BDR-209 Blu-ray/DVD burners, Hotswap Bay for 3.5" Sata and 2.5" SSD, Phanteks Enthoo Pro XL Tower, Corsair 32GB DDR4 Ram, Win10 Pro

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                  right now, buying an SD SDI card is like buying a car with a carby instead of EFI

                  I roll my own so a turnkey is not an option
                  Agreed.
                  It's a shame that we can't just buy the EDIUS HD hardware without the turnkey- not only for those who do roll their own but also, it's very underspecked.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                    at this stage, I also lean towards tape or XDCAM disks, both can be placed on the shelf for future use
                    Same here, not a big fan of pro-sumer memory cards (small size) or hdd (fragile) recording.

                    The pani is nice for sure, a bit overkill though for baby video's, the EX1 would be more in my future (thoughts) budget, as for now a consumer HD has to do the job, so might as well go for tape then. (good backup & cheap)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SoundFreak View Post
                      Same here, not a big fan of pro-sumer memory cards (small size) or hdd (fragile) recording.

                      The pani is nice for sure, a bit overkill though for baby video's, the EX1 would be more in my future (thoughts) budget, as for now a consumer HD has to do the job, so might as well go for tape then. (good backup & cheap)
                      After seeing the Pro Intra demo at NAB, I do like that codec. This is I frame editing and 100mbs 1920x1080 10bit. Pricey yes, but a really nice picture.
                      It uses cards, but most of the cameras were moving away from tape. You might want to look at the Z1 replacement. It uses cards and can record tape at the same time.
                      Jerry
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                      • #12
                        http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/11128/1208391646.jpg

                        I have the HPX2000 with the AVC Intra board. This was shot 720 24p frame grab from Edius 4.61..... I have on order a new system. This is a beast.and needs a NASCAR built engine to handle this stuff. But worth it.
                        I will follow up on the system when I get it going.
                        Mule
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                        • #13
                          "After seeing the Pro Intra demo at NAB, I do like that codec. This is I frame editing and 100mbs 1920x1080 10bit. Pricey yes, but a really nice picture."

                          Jerry:
                          Edius at this time will only give you 8 bit. Maybe in the future. We wish for 10 bit in Edius. Grass Valley, You got your ears on! HELP.......
                          Mule Ferguson
                          EDIUS v5.51 Broadcast - Dual Xeon Supermicro X7DWA-N with E5450 3.0GHz CPU (8 cores)
                          4 GB Ram, 1.0 TB Video Raid (2x500). 5 ea 1.0 TB External Video. 2 500 gb Ext, 320 GB OS Drive .. ATI Radeon HD 4350 with 512 Ram XP Pro with SP 3 HD Sparks, VisTitle

                          Edius 6.52Dual Xeon Asus P5E3 9650 3.0 4G Ram
                          Nvidia9800, 500G Raid (2x250) 1TB&500TB Ext Drives

                          HPX 2000 AVC Intra, HVX 200, HPX 170, AG-AF 100, Canon D5 MKll.....MacBook G4 w/VMWare FCP Edius 6.2

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                          • #14
                            AVC Intra footage was beautiful! I wish the HPX500 supported it. I would love to shoot at 50mbps instead of 100mbps (DVCPROHD) to save P2 space for event stuff.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by muleferg View Post
                              Edius at this time will only give you 8 bit. Maybe in the future. We wish for 10 bit in Edius. Grass Valley, You got your ears on! HELP.......
                              Mule Ferguson
                              They're on...

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