Which recording format for highest Quality

[SoundFreak]

There are many recording formats available and I'm looking for some clarification on that, to what to choose that works best with Edius 4.6x

I'm looking into the consumer / prosumer market to make my next HD cam purchase, and I am a bit lost.

Some cameras record to DV tape, Memory stick or Hard Drive with variations of Mpeg compression etc.

Besides that if you don't record to tape, you don't have an immediate back up, how to compare the compressed formats and how does Edius handle this.

Please advise what format preserves the highest quality and best workflow.

For example keep cam's like a HDR-HC12 & and a HVR-HD1000U in mind.

Thanks Guys ........

[Stereodesign]

Edius is the best NLE out there for mixed format editing.

Personally I like tape as recording format as its also a pretty good backup.

[antonsvideo]

at this stage, I also lean towards tape or XDCAM disks, both can be placed on the shelf for future use

if using memory cards, be sure to copy them to tape prior to erasing card content ( I am still warm about the HPX500 but I would right away buy a DVCPRO HD deck with SDI so I can transfer from camera to tape for future use
http://panasonic.com.au/products/det...?objectID=4197 (my Edius SP does not have HD SDI out, not even SD SDI)

[shueardm]

You can get an EDIUS SP with SD SDI out however, it's the ugly card that costs a lot :)

[antonsvideo]

You can get an EDIUS SP with SD SDI out however, it's the ugly card that costs a lot :)

yes, and it does not do HD SDI and it may require another slot?

also, there is 0% info on this SD SDI board at

http://www.canopus.com/products/productsmain.php

obviously a well kept secret

[Ron Evans]

First I think you have to say why you want the camera. If its for family video then the new AVCHD cameras like the Sony SR11/12 have a lot of advantages in managing files and sorting by a lot of data stored with the file. Playback is easy and simple cuts editing can be done in the camera and assembled to either AVCHD disc( for playback on Blu-ray players like PS3) or SD DVD easily with the supplied software. They have a lot of very useful automatic features. I have a Sony SR11 for this purpose and in good light may be better than my FX1 HDV. If you want to do more serious projects then tape to HDV is the next best choice. In consumer choices would be Sony HC9 or Canon HV30 etc. For Prosumer look at Sony FX1 or Canon. If you want to submit for more wide distribution you are into more money and move to XDCAMHD etc.
Editing AVCHD is a bear but editing HDV is straightforward for all the major NLE's and done in realtime with Edius. You will be shocked by the image quality if you haven't seen these new cameras. you certainly will not want to go back to SD. My SR11 playback to my Panasonic 1080p plasma over HDMI is better than anything I have seen over cable HD except maybe the newscaster in the well controlled HD studio( certainly NOT the news content). At the moment Edius does not handle AVCHD well. For the Sony's one really has to use the Sony Browser software to transfer to the PC then use a converter to go to HQ for editing in Edius. Certainly on my PC the Canopus converter is the slowest of all the ones I have tried to convert to a format that can be edited in one of the main NLE's. However if one only needs to do cuts etc then the Sony software is just fine tha comes with the camera.

Ron Evans

[shueardm]

yes, and it does not do HD SDI and it may require another slot?

Yes to the lack of HD SDI.
It uses one more unpowered (dummy) slot.

There's always EDIUS HD Turnkey for $30000 AU :)

[antonsvideo]

Yes to the lack of HD SDI.
It uses one more unpowered (dummy) slot.

There's alwasy EDIUS HD Turnkey for $30000 AU :)

right now, buying an SD SDI card is like buying a car with a carby instead of EFI

I roll my own so a turnkey is not an option

[shueardm]

right now, buying an SD SDI card is like buying a car with a carby instead of EFI

I roll my own so a turnkey is not an option

Agreed.
It's a shame that we can't just buy the EDIUS HD hardware without the turnkey- not only for those who do roll their own but also, it's very underspecked.

[SoundFreak]

at this stage, I also lean towards tape or XDCAM disks, both can be placed on the shelf for future use

Same here, not a big fan of pro-sumer memory cards (small size) or hdd (fragile) recording.

The pani is nice for sure, a bit overkill though for baby video's, the EX1 would be more in my future (thoughts) budget, as for now a consumer HD has to do the job, so might as well go for tape then. (good backup & cheap)

[Jerry]

Same here, not a big fan of pro-sumer memory cards (small size) or hdd (fragile) recording.

The pani is nice for sure, a bit overkill though for baby video's, the EX1 would be more in my future (thoughts) budget, as for now a consumer HD has to do the job, so might as well go for tape then. (good backup & cheap)

After seeing the Pro Intra demo at NAB, I do like that codec. This is I frame editing and 100mbs 1920x1080 10bit. Pricey yes, but a really nice picture.
It uses cards, but most of the cameras were moving away from tape. You might want to look at the Z1 replacement. It uses cards and can record tape at the same time.

[muleferg]

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/11128/1208391646.jpg

I have the HPX2000 with the AVC Intra board. This was shot 720 24p frame grab from Edius 4.61..... I have on order a new system. This is a beast.and needs a NASCAR built engine to handle this stuff. But worth it.
I will follow up on the system when I get it going.
Mule

[muleferg]

"After seeing the Pro Intra demo at NAB, I do like that codec. This is I frame editing and 100mbs 1920x1080 10bit. Pricey yes, but a really nice picture."

Jerry:
Edius at this time will only give you 8 bit. Maybe in the future. We wish for 10 bit in Edius. Grass Valley, You got your ears on! HELP.......
Mule Ferguson

[STORMDAVE]

AVC Intra footage was beautiful! I wish the HPX500 supported it. I would love to shoot at 50mbps instead of 100mbps (DVCPROHD) to save P2 space for event stuff.

[GrassValley_KH]

Edius at this time will only give you 8 bit. Maybe in the future. We wish for 10 bit in Edius. Grass Valley, You got your ears on! HELP.......
Mule Ferguson

They're on...