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  • Taming Moire patterning on an animated still.

    I was asked if if I could advise an Estate Agent who was putting together animated stills of a property and it was under attack from Moire patterns.
    It has now turned into a "mission"!!!!
    I was sent samples and was surprised that they had done nothing wrong. Both size and data rate were good. The stills were razor sharp so my first port of call was to put the still in Photoshop and use the deinterlace filter. It certainly showed the problem whether Upper or Lower field was selected (in PS filter). Seeing the problem in the crop pic attached, is there any format that would eliminate the inherent issue? I have tried psd-png-tga without success. I have also tried making a HQ avi of the still and animating that., which gives similar results.
    On the timeline (1080P) with movement from layouter and anti-flicker the Moire on the tiles during movement is reduced and the addition of Neat "softens" the edges of the tiles and is "good enough".
    I have now run out of ideas of dealing with these Hi Res stills to get perfect results, which may not even be possible...as well as needing to get some real work done.
    The pics attached were from a crop I did (to protect the identity) and show the before and after PS deinterlace.​ ​​​​​
    Have I missed something?
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  • #2
    Try this:
    https://youtu.be/c11lSzKdTCk
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    • #3
      what is the project setting?
      what is the resolution of the stills?

      when using an SD project setting, forget doing still animations, it will look like the aftermath of drinking a bottle of SC
      Anton Strauss
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jerry View Post
        Hi Jerry I had watched the relevant section of the tutorial earlier but my PS version is too old. I have found out it can be done in Affinity Photo but haven't cracked it yet.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
          what is the project setting?
          what is the resolution of the stills?

          when using an SD project setting, forget doing still animations, it will look like the aftermath of drinking a bottle of SC
          No it's an HD project 1080P and the still that the crop is from is 1619x1080 @240dpi

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          • #6
            there is something not making sense as your second image shows terrible diagonal zig zag

            Anton-01833.png
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            • #7
              Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
              there is something not making sense as your second image shows terrible diagonal zig zag

              Anton-01833.png
              Yes. That is what you see if you deinterlace either field in Photoshop or Affinity, as per my post "The pics attached were from a crop I did (to protect the identity) and show the before and after PS deinterlace."​ ​​​​​
              There is something "going on" in the original pic.

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              • #8
                to deinterlace an interlaced still in Photoshop, you can use motion blur, 90 degrees by 1 pixel

                Anton-01836.png
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                • #9
                  That's something else I've learnt. The thing I have never got to grips with, are why a single photo pic is interlaced to start with. Resavng as a Progressive jpg etc doesn't seem to work. My knowledge is limited to deinterlacing a pic or still frame for rock steady playback.

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                  • #10
                    a Photoshop progressive jpg is not what you think as p in video, progressive means when the image loads in a website, it loads at low res and gradually builds to full res

                    stills are not interlaced by default, they are only interlaced if saved as interlaced from an animation or video editing software
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                    • #11
                      I'm confused now as deinterlacing the camera still in PS produces an inferior image.

                      On the basis that we (I) have all forgotten more than we know, if I recall your 1 pixel motion blur was something we sued back in the SD Days.

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                      • #12
                        which camera makes interlaced stills? All still cameras I have don't
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by antonsvideo View Post
                          which camera makes interlaced stills? All still cameras I have don't
                          I will send you the original privately tomorrow. I cannot share it here.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DigitalDave View Post

                            I will send you the original privately tomorrow. I cannot share it here.
                            ok, I will check it out
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                            • #15
                              I applied 90x1 motion blur in Photoshop to the image you sent and then I created the same layouter moves as you did in the mp4 you sent and there was no Moire at all
                              Last edited by antonsvideo; 05-09-2022, 08:51 AM.
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