Bt. 2020 Edius Time Lapse Workflow Problem??

[Ron Evans]

I will be looking at some of the micro-led TV's that may offer OLED like performance with no burn-in problems.

[Barry C]

Ah, there it is!! A thousand thanks, good sir. :)

PS:
Pat, I don't know if that's you, but the Nvidia 3090 and and BM Decklink 4K 12G Extreme was delivered today and will be installed this week. Waiting to see what happens at CES and then will decide on a 10-bit OLED HDR display of some sort.

[GrassValley_SL]

Right click on the top row and select what you want in the display. The list is long so you have up an down arrows to scroll it.
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[Barry C]

You need to add color space to the bin detail view. You can select what is displayed.

How exactly do I do that?

[GrassValley_SL]

You need to add color space to the bin detail view. You can select what is displayed.

[Barry C]

I don't know what the issue is, but on my raw stills from the Sony A7RII which are 7953x5320, I do not have the same options or view as shown in your video. I do not have the part on your's which says BT.709 [Full] or any pull down arrow to the right of it like you have. I do have something not displayed on your's to the immediate left of the clip # which has a white tick box which says Default Still Clip- your's says still clip with no white tick box. Also, unlike your's, I have a pull down arrow tab to set aspect ratio, which is not present on your's. Mine also has headings for start and end times, and a column for reel No. It would seem, we have two very different things happening in Detail View. Not sure how to get the view/options you have.
I'd like to be able to attach a screen shot, but not don't know how to do that on this forum page.

[GrassValley_SL]

Check you bin columns,

It works fine here.


color space.mp4

[Barry C]

Yes, I selected it, but it didn't have that arrow tab that your's did.

Interestingly, however, I discovered that when I imported several stills into the bin, whether in detail view or not, if I manually, through properties, converted just the first image in the string to a different color space, I could then select all the images and convert them to a sequence and in properties, it would show that this sequence was in the new converted color space, even though the first image was the only one which had been converted from 709. Not, sure whether this is truely accurate for the whole sequence, but that's what it shows in properties for the sequence. If in fact, this is accurate, it would certainly make it easy. Perhaps you can look into this.

[GrassValley_PS]

Did you click on a clip?

[Barry C]

If you want to change color space of multiple clips .
1 set the bin to detail view
2 add color space
3 select the clips
4 the use the selection arrow and choose the color space you need.


change color space.png


If wil look at the import issue and report back.

Just wanted to report back, that I tried this and, unfortunately, although that I am happy to say that Edius will actually recognize and import the raw Sony still files, in detail view, the pull down arrow you show in your screen capture does not appear at all. So, unfortunately, still in the same predicament of potentially having to change color setting on hundreds of images one at a time. I will point out that Resolve won't even recognize the Sony raw images, while Edius will. Have I missed something?

[Hobbes]

OK, I think you can test that only. In my workfow I import the V-Log footage with PQ 10bit projectsettings. I grade with Magic Bullet Looks and apply the primary color correction PCC and have a look at the waveformskop to adjust the black (0 nits) and bright (500 nits). After the export as h265 I can view it on TV but the adjustment of the settings will be an other challenge ;-)

[Barry C]

When you do the grading in Photoshop and Edius then have to do it twice. The first grading in Photoshop does not make sense in this workflow.

I actually use a combination of Photoshop and Capture One Pro. I would love to be able to use only Edius or Resolve and pretty much bypass the still imaging software, but unfortunately, the NLEs won't accept import of the raw Sony camera images. So, they need to be passed through one of the other programs anyway. There are also some good color and masking tools. Photoshop has a really good sky replacement feature, and I use it regularly to change sky color in images with very complex foregrounds to a solid color which heavily contrasts with the foreground. It makes chroma key works in Resolve and Edius much easier.

[Hobbes]

When you do the grading in Photoshop and Edius then have to do it twice. The first grading in Photoshop does not make sense in this workflow.

[Barry C]

Photoshop actually has a setting buried in the Preferences menus for what it calls 30-bit:
Edit menu to: Preferences
Preferences to: Performance
Performance: Graphic Processor Settings, Advanced Settings.
In the advanced settings, it will show a tick box with an option to choose 30 Bit Display.

Of course, this requires a graphic card and display divice which will support it.

[Hobbes]

You are starting HDR with a complex thing. I think a HDR colorgrading in Photopro without a waveformskop is impossible and if you grade in Photoshop you will get a SDR grading and loose all the color data. I do the grading in Edius up to 500 nits and only direct sunlight is up to 1000 nits.
You are right that you never should go below 10 bit, because then you will get colorbanding and the standard exportfile for HDR 10 TV is h265 10bit 4:2:0.